Can Women Lead The Flock?

[enoob57]

What are you sucking on in that pic?

its steam off my coffee thank you very much

[Floatingaxe]

What are you sucking on in that pic?

its steam off my coffee thank you very much

[Guest Butero]

No, the prophetic gift falls on women as well as men and each are called to use the gift---unhindered!

You are speaking from a congregational teaching and not a Scriptural one... this is a wonder to me for you have seen the Scripture already given and here the Lord even gives the reason

1 Tim 2:12-13

12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.

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God has taught us that satan stepped from his created appointment and place thus he sinned and that we are to look out for this

spirit influence in all that we do and say?

1 John 4:1

4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

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Now as you read this you will want to go to accusation... do not do this as you are family by the Lord! However if the clear undisputed passages of Scripture say one thing and others are telling you elsewise-> listen to the Scripture and rebuke that which is contrary!

Love, Steven

I must reiterate: the prophetic gift falls on women as well as men and each are called to use the gift---unhindered!

It is an evil spirit that some may call pride that has permeated the Church since the beginning, misinterpreting Paul out of ignorance of the whole message of scripture, and creating an atmosphere of misogyny in the Church. What people have done by this erroneous mindset is to separate, rather than unify, and have thus fulfilled the plan of Satan by effectively halving the workforce of God in the world and in the Body of Christ.

FA, you have yet to explain how the church has misinterpreted this scripture? You have made a lot of statements, but have given nothing to back it up. I am still waiting on you to tell us who the women were that Paul appointed to positions, and what those positions are? You say that women have a prophetic gift as well as men? I don't dispute that, but you have yet to show one example of where any woman had a prophetic teaching ministry. There are numerous women that were used to give direct messages from God, but that is not the same thing. If the things you say are true, and it is others "misinterpreting Paul out of ignorance", then explain what Paul was saying? Back up the other things you said. And Floatingaxe, I am not standing against women teaching or preaching. I gave my interpretation of the passage, and I don't believe it was refering to ministry. I am more open to women than some of the others in this thread, but none of the opposition is based on misogyny. It is based on trying to follow scripture.

[enoob57]

Sinners are not saved, but the sinful are.

Sinners are sinful.

Now, what?

Well, are cats are animals.

But all the animals aren't cats.

All sinners are sinful.

But all the sinful aren't sinners.

girls I'm getting a little confused here am I a sinner or a cat or both cause I sure don't want to be a sinner but I sin on the other hand I don't wish to be a cat either can I have a third choice???

[Guest LadyC]

eleanor, then let me kindly refer you back to this post: and this one: and the one following it.

now if you don't mind, i would appreciate it if you'd back off and leave me alone. until this thread, i didn't even know you existed, and you probably didn't know i did either, because i haven't been around here much in the last few months. so whatever bone you have to pick, find someone else to pick it with. my question never was to you in the first place. the person it was to responded, we discussed, he clarified, and i "got it". you had no business jumping into the fray with me in the first place. but when you did, i answered your question and moved on. now please jump back out, and perhaps in the future you can avoid attacking someone for no reason.

[Guest Butero]

Sinners are not saved, but the sinful are.

Sinners are sinful.

Now, what?

Well, are cats are animals.

But all the animals aren't cats.

All sinners are sinful.

But all the sinful aren't sinners.

This is one of those theological arguments that comes up when you are speaking to people of various belief systems. You would say that you are a sinner saved by grace, and FA would say she used to be a sinner, but now she is saved by grace. I know this because I have seen this point argued over the years, having family that is Baptist, and having been both Pentecostal and Methodist. That doesn't mean anyone believes we can ever live as pure as God's standard of holiness, but it means we don't believe we all sin on a regular basis. We believe that we have moved from sinners to saints as a result of the new birth. We still need God's grace. It is just that we have been given the ability to no longer live in wilful sin. I guess another way of putting it is a belief in sanctification as taught by Wesley.

[enoob57]

It seems the flock is divided....

[Guest Butero]

It seems the flock is divided....

Don't you wish that Jesus could join in our discussions and set us all straight? It must have been nice to be among his early followers. If you wanted to know if your thinking was correct, you asked him, and he answered with authority. You knew what he said was true.

Yes Enoob, we are divided.

[Floatingaxe]

Sinners are not saved, but the sinful are.

Sinners are sinful.

Now, what?

Well, are cats are animals.

But all the animals aren't cats.

All sinners are sinful.

But all the sinful aren't sinners.

What is better is to say that the saved are not sinners but they are saints. When we know who we are in Christ, and how God views us, we don't stoop to the lowest descriptor, 'sinful', which makes Satan giddy with glee. No---we reach up toward what God thinks and what God says, which is that we are the righteousness of God in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:21

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

[Floatingaxe]

The NT records ministering women in the Church. Tabitha or Dorcas, a disciple, had a ministry of helps. (Acts 9:36). Philip’s four daughters worked in the ministry of prophet (Acts 21:8-9). Eidia and Syntyche, co-workers of Paul shared in his struggle in ministry to spread the gospel (Philippians 4:2-3). Priscilla was an exemplary among “fellow workers in Christ Jesus” (Romans 16:3-4). Further, in Romans 16, Paul greets a multitude of ministers of the gospel, many of them women.

Phoebe, a church leader in the church at Cenchrae, was highly commended by Paul tot he church at Rome (Romans 16:102). Unfortunately, the existing bias of modern English translators have in some ways obscured Phoebe’s position of leadership, calling her a ‘servant’ or ‘helper’ in the wrong sense of the word. The true sense of the word is as a helper in the sense of one who is in a higher position reaching down to help those in a lower position---the term was used to describe Caesar by historians also., so it was not sued in the sense of how we view helpers today---as those who are sybservient, helping those of hoghjer position, like an employer, for example. Phoebe was ‘diakonos’ of the church at Cenchrae. Paul would use this term to denote a minister pr leader of a congregation and applied it specifically to Jesus Christ, Tychicus, Epaphras, Timothy, and to his own ministry. Depending on the context, ‘diakonos’ is usually translated as ‘deacon’ or ‘minister’. Modernists would use the word ‘deaconness’ for Phoebe, but that would be a misapplication, and the distinction was never in the original Greek.

Junia was an apostle (Romans 16:7), yet many translators and scholars, unwilling to admit that there was a female apostle, have since the 13th century masculinized her name to Junias (the ‘-as’ ending also not a true masculine denotation, either).

The word shows that Paul was a strong advocate for women in ministry. The instances of women filling leadership roles in scripture needs to be considered a divinely approved pattern, and not as exceptions. God calls women and he equips women for their callings.