Communion - What Does It Mean

[mizzdy]

At our congregation we do 'communion' every new moon, we also observe Passover each year as a remembrance, as a rehearsal. Heres a neat article about keeping Passover, on that site you can also find how and why Passover is all apart of Yahwehs plan of restoration and salvation.

shalom,

Mizz

[AnotherSinner]

At our congregation we do 'communion' every new moon, we also observe Passover each year as a remembrance, as a rehearsal. Heres a neat article about keeping Passover, on that site you can also find how and why Passover is all apart of Yahwehs plan of restoration and salvation.

shalom,

Mizz

Thank you Mizzdy,

Loving the description given to the purpose and symbology behind a great deal of the Passover events and ritual practices. Going to reread it later. This information is much appreciated.

May God Bless You

Dani

[childeye]

At our congregation we do 'communion' every new moon, we also observe Passover each year as a remembrance, as a rehearsal. Heres a neat article about keeping Passover, on that site you can also find how and why Passover is all apart of Yahwehs plan of restoration and salvation.

shalom,

Mizz

In the Catholic church they do communion every day.

It keeps their focus on the gospel of Jesus Christ--remembering and prolcaiming the Lord's death which saved them (1Co 11:25-26).

I was raised Catholic and became greatly troubled by the communion there. The implications that they believe the elements are transformed into the actual flesh and blood of Christ in referance to John 6:53 and that only a priest ordained by the Pope had the power to transform the elements, are far reaching.

[AnotherSinner]

At our congregation we do 'communion' every new moon, we also observe Passover each year as a remembrance, as a rehearsal. Heres a neat article about keeping Passover, on that site you can also find how and why Passover is all apart of Yahwehs plan of restoration and salvation.

shalom,

Mizz

In the Catholic church they do communion every day.

It keeps their focus on the gospel of Jesus Christ--remembering and prolcaiming the Lord's death which saved them (1Co 11:25-26).

I was raised Catholic and became greatly troubled by the communion there. The implications that they believe the elements are transformed into the actual flesh and blood of Christ in referance to John 6:53 and that only a priest ordained by the Pope had the power to transform the elements, are far reaching.

I agree that is a bit reaching.

[mizzdy]

At our congregation we do 'communion' every new moon, we also observe Passover each year as a remembrance, as a rehearsal. Heres a neat article about keeping Passover, on that site you can also find how and why Passover is all apart of Yahwehs plan of restoration and salvation.

shalom,

Mizz

In the Catholic church they do communion every day.

It keeps their focus on the gospel of Jesus Christ--remembering and prolcaiming the Lord's death which saved them (1Co 11:25-26).

And how does Passover not do that? Doesnt Passover point directly to Yeshua? The reason we are to keep Passover is for remembrance, remembering how Yahweh brought them out of Egypt, how He delivered and saved them, it is the same today we keep it in remembrance of what Yeshua HaMashiach shed His blood so all could enter into the covenant, that all could have the salvation promised through Him, that through Him we are brought out of 'Egypt'. Not really sure why my post got you to the rcc and what they do.

shalom,

Mizz

[mizzdy]

At our congregation we do 'communion' every new moon, we also observe Passover each year as a remembrance, as a rehearsal. Heres a neat article about keeping Passover, on that site you can also find how and why Passover is all apart of Yahwehs plan of restoration and salvation.

shalom,

Mizz

Thank you Mizzdy,

Loving the description given to the purpose and symbology behind a great deal of the Passover events and ritual practices. Going to reread it later. This information is much appreciated.

May God Bless You

Dani

Welcome. I love that site, it has a lot to offer in understandings of the feasts and why I think they are still very relevant to us today. But then again I am what most call Messianic, not Jewish mind you but I keep the Sabbath(s) and the feasts.

shalom,

Mizz

[mizzdy]

At our congregation we do 'communion' every new moon, we also observe Passover each year as a remembrance, as a rehearsal.

shalom,

Mizz

In the Catholic church they do communion every day.

It keeps their focus on the gospel of Jesus Christ--remembering and prolcaiming the Lord's death which saved them (1Co 11:25-26).

Not really sure why my post got you to the rcc and what they do.

shalom,

Mizz

The frequency of the Lord's Supper. Don't know of any other group that does it every day. I think it's a good thing.

We eat every day, don't we?

I just had this convo with a family who just joined us at our fellowship, all coming out of the rcc, not every single catholic does communion everyday, most only do so on Sunday at mass. Did Yeshua do this everyday? did He set aside the Passover as an everyday occurence or are we told that we are to do this everyday? I dont think we can find where He nor the apostles did so either. The apostles as well as Yeshua kept the Passover, it was at this time that He stood and said, This is my blood and body, He didnt say that on Sunday or even on the regular Sabbath. I don't have a problem with anyone having communion on Sunday, the Sabbath or whenever they feel led to do so. What scriptures shows us that Yeshua and the apostles kept the Passover, they didnt institute a new way of doing it all but that He expanded upon to show that He indeed was and is our perfection, our covering. I also think that 'eating' is different than Passover as well as communion, we certainly can have fellowship meals with all, we do that each and every Shabbat at my fellowship yet we have 'communion' on the new moon celebrations each month. Its fantastic really, a day set aside as a renewal, as the moon renews itself so His Spirit helps to renew us also.

shalom,

Mizz

[gdemoss]

There is no mention of heresy in 1Co 11.

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Gary

[gdemoss]

There is no mention of heresy in 1Co 11.

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

Gary

Thanks. My translation uses "differences."

Anytime someone comes to me and says your mistaken, I try to take the position of maybe they are right if it is something that I haven't solidified my study in for certain. At that time I go back to look at parallel passages in various translations to get a feel for what is out there and why others access things differently. I also look to see if they are what I call 'battle ground' texts between Westcott and Hort versus Textus Receptus. It always helps me to solidify my position and understanding.

'differences' is an accurate way to translate for sure but doesn't have the bite that 'heresy' has. Thanks for driving me deeper into study. It is appreciated.

Gary

[mizzdy]

Where in Scripture do we find that the apostles continued to celebrate Passover?

What do you think the apostles were doing in Jerusalem when the Holy Spirit overtook them? that was Shavuot, they had finished Passover, went through the Feast of Unleavened bread and were told to wait there. We still see them in the temple, we even read of Paul and sacrifices. The split with the true church in Jerusalem and Constantine is pretty well known, the whole controversy and change of the calendar by Constatine came about because he needed the 'Jews' the true beleivers to set the day of Passover. We read about this in Polycarps writings as well as the change from the Passover to 'communion' in Rome. Theres a ton of historical stuff on this change you can find just by googling it. The book of Acts has accounts showing the apostles kept the feast days, Acts 2:1, Acts 18:21 Acts 20:16 to name a few. And we see here in 1 Cor. where Paul specifically states 'let us keep the feast',

1Cor 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? 7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore LET US KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Why would he say that unless they were keeping them? There are many places where Paul addresses issues over keeping days, times and moons, stating that no one should tell another not to keep or to keep them, pretty much shows there was controversy surrounding the hows and whys of keeping them, ie, the hard and fast legal ways or in the Spirit as they were given. Not that Paul nor anyone ever suggested they are done away with but were still kept by all who believed in Messiah, who called upon His name for salvation. Why do the apostles keep declaring that Yeshua is our Passover if Passover was now a defunct thing of the past? I could give many quotes from Polycarp, Eusebius, in the ante-nicean writings we even read where Passover is to be observed as tradition dictates on the 14th day. I have ton of stuff I can post about Passover being observed, by the apostles, after the temple fell and when it started to be turned to something different. It really is a matter of history, I will end with this quote:

[in the chapter previous to the quote below, Eusebius noted how Victor and the Church at Rome had chosen to observe the "pascha" (later renamed "Easter" in honor of the pagan goddess "Ishtar/Astarte") always on the first day of the week, as opposed to the Churches of Asia who followed the teachings of the Apostles and forthwith observed Pascha (Passover) on the 14th day of Nisan/Abib annually.]

"The Disagreement in Asia: But the bishops of Asia, led by Polycrates, decided to hold to the old custom handed down to them. He himself, in a letter which he addressed to Victor and the church of Rome, set forth in the following words the tradition which had come down to him: "We observe the exact day; neither adding, nor taking away. For in Asia also great lights have fallen asleep [he speaks here of the death of many brethren], which shall rise again on the day of the Lord's coming, when He shall come with glory from heaven, and shall seek out all the saints. Among these are Philip, one of the twelve apostles, who fell asleep in Hierapolis; and his two aged virgin daughters, and another daughter, who lived in the Holy Spirit and now rests at Ephesus; and, moreover, John, who was both a witness and a teacher, who reclined upon the bosom of the Lord, and, being a priest, wore the sacerdotal plate. He fell asleep at Ephesus. And Polycarp in Smyrna, who was a bishop and martyr; and Thraseas, bishop and martyr from Eumenia, who fell asleep in Smyrna. Why need I mention the bishop and martyr Sagaris who fell asleep in Laodicea, or the blessed Papirius, or Melito, the Eunuch who lived altogether in the Holy Spirit, and who lies in Sardis, awaiting the episcopate from heaven, when he shall rise from the dead? All these observed the fourteenth day of the passover according to the Gospel, deviating in no respect, but following the rule of faith. And I also, Polycrates, the least of you all, do according to the tradition of my relatives, some of whom I have closely followed. For seven of my relatives were bishops; and I am the eighth. And my relatives always observed the day when the people put away the leaven. I, therefore, brethren, who have lived sixty-five years in the Lord, and have met with the brethren throughout the world, and have gone through every Holy Scripture, am not affrighted by terrifying words. For those greater than I have said ' We ought to obey God rather than man.' " He then writes of all the bishops who were present with him and thought as he did. His words are as follows: "I could mention the bishops who were present, whom I summoned at your desire; whose names, should I write them, would constitute a great multitude. And they, beholding my littleness, gave their consent to the letter, knowing that I did not bear my gray hairs in vain, but had always governed my life by the Lord Jesus." (Eusebius of Caesarea, Church History, Book V, ch. 24)