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Orr v'emet

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The NT.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."

Okay, well because you think that children are automatically saved because of the parents, you completely ignore the command in this verse, which is to repent. You take repentance completely out of the equation! If I was saved cause of my parents then why would I ever have to repent? :huh:

Also, the promise that Peter is talking about is eternal life through repentance (not parents) and turning from sin and to Christ!

I may be completely misunderstanding what you are saying and if so please forgive me!

God Bless!

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Hello Called.

Okay, well because you think that children are automatically saved because of the parents, you completely ignore the command in this verse, which is to repent. You take repentance completely out of the equation! If I was saved cause of my parents then why would I ever have to repent?

What's the command? Repent and be baptised. What's the promise? The promise of salvation for you and for your children.

Go against the grain?

Also, the promise that Peter is talking about is eternal life through repentance (not parents) and turning from sin and to Christ!

The promise is for you and your children... It just supports the OT quotes.

I may be completely misunderstanding what you are saying and if so please forgive me!

From the reaction I would venture to say that you have not misunderstood.

johnp.

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What's the command? Repent and be baptised.

Then why do it backwards John ? ( You know - be baptized and repent )

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Tess.

If that were the case there would be no need for the great commission.

Why not? As Christian parents we teach our children. That is discipling is it not?

There are more people in the world than our kids.

What you think?

johnp.

The command was to go into all nations, tribes and tongues...making disciples and baptizing them in the name of the Lord Jesus. By your logic, unless you have offspring in every nation, tribe and tongue the great commission could not be fulfilled. :huh:

I'm confused..... :suspect:

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Believer's children are automatically included into Christ as part of the promise of God. They receive the circumcision of the heart and become members of true Israel. No outward sign is needed. They are marked by the Holy Spirit. Baptism does not replace circumcision because circumcision is still here. :huh:

Eze 37:25 ...They and their children and their children's children will live there forever...

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I am sorry JohnP but you do not have NT support for this statement.

Circumcision of the heart is a an OT concept, and well as a NT concept. Circumcision of the heart is not something you recieve. It is something that you do yourself. It is commandment to us, not something we get from God.

That precludes infants from having their hearts circumcized, since they do not have the intellecutal capacity to make such a choice.

No one is saved because of their parents. That is not defendable from ANY part of the NT.

Baptism of an infant for anything other than dedicatory purposes is futile. Everyman and woman must make the choice for Christ, and baptism as an infant does not cancel that out.

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Then why do it backwards John ? ( You know - be baptized and repent )

I don't understand what you mean.

So I will say this.

Peter is talking to the people. He says repent and be baptised.

If you do you will bring your children and their children into the Kingdom.

If this scripture is overthrown the problem persists with the OT verses.

If you think I mean that some get into Heaven without repentance I would not like to say this is so or not. I could give it a guess. He will cause these children to do what they need to to gain the promise made to their parents. If He does not then the promise fails.

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I hope this post is taken with an attitude of love, not divisiveness.

I often wonder why people baptize infants who can't be taught or believe anything. Just doesn't make sense to me.

My Bible still says:

Mark 16:15-16

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Belief before baptism here. Acts 2:38 makes it clear that repentance is necissary before baptism. And as a side note, the promise of Acts 2:38 is clearly for "everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Not "whoever is predetermined because of their being born to their parents who were predetermined will be saved."

Acts 2:16-21

No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

    " 'In the last days, God says,

      I will pour out my Spirit on all people.

  Your sons and daughters will prophesy,

      your young men will see visions,

      your old men will dream dreams.

    Even on my servants, both men and women,

      I will pour out my Spirit in those days,

      and they will prophesy.

    I will show wonders in the heaven above

      and signs on the earth below,

      blood and fire and billows of smoke.

    The sun will be turned to darkness

      and the moon to blood

      before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.

    And everyone who calls

      on the name of the Lord will be saved.'

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He will cause these children to do what they need to to gain the promise made to their parents. If He does not then the promise fails.

Well, I believe that you are wrong. This is not love and obedience, but domination and slavery. :):huh:

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Tess.

The command was to go into all nations, tribes and tongues...making disciples and baptizing them in the name of the Lord Jesus. By your logic, unless you have offspring in every nation, tribe and tongue the great commission could not be fulfilled.

I am confused. Which bit is the problem?

Does this help. When we go and preach to others we should include this statement in our witness. If any accept the sacrifice of Christ they can rest assured that their children are included.

johnp.

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I hope this post is taken with an attitude of love, not divisiveness.

I often wonder why people baptize infants who can't be taught or believe anything. Just doesn't make sense to me.

My Bible still says:

Mark 16:15-16

He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Belief before baptism here. Acts 2:38 makes it clear that repentance is necissary before baptism. And as a side note, the promise of Acts 2:38 is clearly for "everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved." Not "whoever is predetermined because of their being born to their parents who were predetermined will be saved."

Acts 2:16-21

No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

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