WHY IS THERE NO REDEMPTION FOR SATAN?

[Guest Carly49]

I heard a sermon recently and thought I would write on it. WHY IS THERE NO REDEMPTION FOR SATAN? God created him a beautiful angel! When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, sin came into the world. Did Eve eat of the fruit by her own doing? They both were perfectly created by God, and were perfect. No she didn't by herself eat of the fruit. She was tempted! Then instead of saying NO to the tempter, she did eat and gave also to her husband, and he ate, thus sin. WE, TOO, HAVE A TEMPTER and So God sent His only son Jesus to Die on the cross for our sin. But, satan DID NOT have a tempter, he chose to think himself higher than his creator, therefore, was cast out of heaven and many angels followed him which are now known as demons.

[His son]

I personally believe that if satan truly repented God could forgive him, and I preach to him all the time in that respect telling him what a blessing he would be to all those he has deceived. God has written in The Bible that satan nor his angels repent, and that's because God knows every choice we will all make forever. So I would say satan won't be saved because he will always choose his own way.

[AnotherTraveler]

Satan is given no opportunity to repent, the bible is very clear about this, and the reasons that God has given are few, as God does not have to explain His choices to us.

(2 Pet 2:4 KJV) For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

(Jude 1:6 KJV) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

(1 Cor 6:3 KJV) Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

[alecia]

Yeah.. Id expect things to be a bit different for beings who actually lived WITH God in heaven itself.. I dont see how it would be at all possible for them to get a second chance, they knew exactly what they were doing, first hand.

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings Carly49,

I heard a sermon recently and thought I would write on it. WHY IS THERE NO REDEMPTION FOR SATAN? God created him a beautiful angel! When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, sin came into the world. Did Eve eat of the fruit by her own doing? They both were perfectly created by God, and were perfect. No she didn't by herself eat of the fruit. She was tempted! Then instead of saying NO to the tempter, she did eat and gave also to her husband, and he ate, thus sin. WE, TOO, HAVE A TEMPTER and So God sent His only son Jesus to Die on the cross for our sin. But, satan DID NOT have a tempter, he chose to think himself higher than his creator, therefore, was cast out of heaven and many angels followed him which are now known as demons.

If this is what the "preacher" preached, I would question his theology.

Satan was called the anointed cherub and was PERFECT:

Ezekiel 28:14-15 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that God created Adam and Eve PERFECT, instead, it is interesting that He looked upon each of the first 5 days of His creation and called it GOOD, then you might expect that on the 6th day, God would look upon His creation and say PERFECT! But He did NOT. Instead, this is what He said:

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Notice, God did not say that MAN was PERFECT, but that ALL THAT HIS HANDS HAD MADE WERE GOOD.

Here is the reason for it being ONLY GOOD:

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

You may want to read this verse IN CONTEXT for a more clear understanding.

As for the redemption of Satan, it is impossible because of this:

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Satan is a SPIRITUAL BEING, He HAS NO Blood.

Think about it.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[tsth]

I hope I do not catch too much flack for sharing "my thoughts" here. I'm going out on a limb in sharing this:

But, I believe that Satan is a necessary tool to be used in the training up of God's creation. I think He is the Creation created to usurp pride/evil in mankind. He is a necessary recompense for the pride of man, lest man would be void of freely loving God. We would be mere robots.

God knew that we would eat of that tree........it was no surprise, so what comes of it? Freewill, and understanding of good and evil. Now, what would be the deliverance from evil, if it is understood by men?

Gen. 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Gen. 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

God does not perform evil, but Satan does, it is a just outcome for man who does the same. God blesses and metes out blessings because God is Good. He does not mete out evil. He is God. But He does use one who freely desires to choose his own desires over God's. See how He used Pharoah, because of Pharoah's pride. There were 2 purposes. 1 to deal with those who choose the same, and 2 to train up God's children by trials. Pharoah was a vessel used for ignoble purposes, by his own desires. See 2 Timothy 2:20 regarding an instrument used for "ignoble" purposes. That was Pharoah, he denied God's longsuffering, and therefore was used as a tool.

The Lord can bring evil, but He Himself will not perform it.

Deut. 26:6 And the Egyptians evil entreated us, and afflicted us, and laid upon us hard bondage:

Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

1 Kings 21:28 And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying, 29 Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

Does God perform evil? No, but He is in control of Satan, to allow that vessel to be used to bring about right judgments, according to the willful pride of man, and the neglect to humbling oneself. It will be dealt with by the one who is the master of pride. (See Job 41, 41:34) If man is to have freewill to love God, then God must have the tool to bring about the consequences/judgments of evil that man so chooses to himself, that is the purpose for Satan.

Psalm 34:21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.

Psalm 54:5 He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth.

Psalm 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

That is my opinion, comments are welcome.

In His Love,

Suzanne

[Az_]

As long as we are on this subject I would like to ask a slightly different question.

The tree they ate of was called the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From this we infer that prior to their eating of this tree they were without knowledge of good and evil. This creates a bit of a problem.

If they were without knowledge of good and evil how were they to determine who to listen to? With no means of judging right or wrong they were at the mercy of whoever they spoke to. When God told them not to eat of the fruit of the tree they were ready and willing to comply. They had no means to judge whether God was good or evil. They were without the knowledge to discern this.

But then the serpant spoke to Eve and plied her with all manner of suggestions. She had no means of recognising the serpants words as evil. Thus she was rendered completely helpless to this assault. Simply put she could not distinguish the merrit of God's words over the merrit of the serpants. They were of equal value to her. Thus as she obeyed God's word she obeyed the serpant's word. Without the ability to dicern good and evil this seems to be the only course open to her.

Considering these factors what other course could God have imagined coming about by allowing the Serpant to run around in the Garden. Furthermore since Jesus was obviously willing to intervene on our behalf at some point in time why not at this junction. Surely a rejoinder to the serpant's advice would have been timely.

[tsth]

Isaiah 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. 6 I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets. 7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few. 8 For he saith, Are not my princes altogether kings? 9 Is not Calno as Carchemish? is not Hamath as Arpad? is not Samaria as Damascus? 10 As my hand hath found the kingdoms of the idols, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria; 11 Shall I not, as I have done unto Samaria and her idols, so do to Jerusalem and her idols? 12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the Lord hath performed his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks. 13 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man: 14 And my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped. 15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.

This is the rod in God's hand, that is filled with pride, that is why he becomes the vessel for ignoble purpose.........because he is filled with pride, not realizing he is useful in the hand of the Lord. He is necessary.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Edited October 14, 2004 by tsth

[Matthitjah]

Az,

You are negating the fact that everything made was made by God for man's ultimate Good. For God's greater Glory.

Ge

[Dad Ernie]

Greetings AZ,

As long as we are on this subject I would like to ask a slightly different question.

The tree they ate of was called the tree of knowledge of good and evil. From this we infer that prior to their eating of this tree they were without knowledge of good and evil. This creates a bit of a problem.

Since when is the "knowledge of EVIL" a prerequisite to live a Godly life? Did you know that when Treasury Agents are taught to detect "counterfeit money" that all during the course they are ONLY shown REAL TRUE MONEY? They become SO familiar with it, that at the end of the course, they are given a COUNTERFEIT BILL and they can immediately recognize that it IS COUNTERFEIT.

Do you see the relationship between this and what occurred in the Garden?

If they were without knowledge of good and evil how were they to determine who to listen to? With no means of judging right or wrong they were at the mercy of whoever they spoke to. When God told them not to eat of the fruit of the tree they were ready and willing to comply. They had no means to judge whether God was good or evil. They were without the knowledge to discern this.

Why does a child cling to his/her parent when they are very young? Do you suppose it is because the child inately recognizes the "source" of their love, their provisions, their instructions - come from their CREATOR?

Notice that Satan did NOT tempt Adam, but instead chose Eve, who from what is written received God's instructions second hand through Adam. Notice Eve's comments to Adam:

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

Eve was supposed to be Adam's "helpmeet". Adam was fully aware that HE had dominion over all the animals in the garden, AND that God was HIS authority, yet Adam yielded to the WILES of Eve. She undoubtedly stressed to Adam all that was said in 3:6, and as typical with man, I think Adam relinquished his AUTHORITY in the Garden to the woman, because nowhere does it say that Adam had AUTHORITY OVER EVE, only that she was to be a comfort, a nurterer, a helper, a delight in many ways, which was NOT the case of animals because they provided none of these things. So Adam fell for it (her).

But then the serpant spoke to Eve and plied her with all manner of suggestions. She had no means of recognising the serpants words as evil. Thus she was rendered completely helpless to this assault. Simply put she could not distinguish the merrit of God's words over the merrit of the serpants. They were of equal value to her. Thus as she obeyed God's word she obeyed the serpant's word. Without the ability to dicern good and evil this seems to be the only course open to her.

Do not forget that it was Adam to whom God made the commandments and who is held responsible for instructing his wife and holding her to account. It was ADAM that directly disobeyed God, NOT Eve.

Considering these factors what other course could God have imagined coming about by allowing the Serpant to run around in the Garden. Furthermore since Jesus was obviously willing to intervene on our behalf at some point in time why not at this junction. Surely a rejoinder to the serpant's advice would have been timely.

Please consider these verses:

Rom 8:18-22 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

God saw this at the time of His creation. He knew that if man was given liberty to make his own decisions that eventually sin would enter into the picture. This was a "natural" conclusion for all that is of the "physical creation". Notice that God created in this matter - with hope - "Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."

God Bless,

Dad Ernie