WorthyNewsBot Posted July 23, 2012 Group: Bots Followers: 3 Topic Count: 39,879 Topics Per Day: 6.46 Content Count: 44,323 Content Per Day: 7.18 Reputation: 986 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/06/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2012 As the country continued to mourn last week's mass shooting in Colorado -- President Obama visited victims' families there Sunday -- lawmakers reignited the debate about whether stricter gun-control laws would have prevented the movie theater massacre that left a dozen people dead.http://www.worthynews.com/top/washingtontimes-com-news-2012-jul-22-aurora-shooting-revives-gun-control-debate-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted July 23, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted July 23, 2012 My feelings on gun control in no particular order. - I have no desire to own a gun myself, and I feel safe enough in my area to not think myself to be safer with a gun. - If I would need to protect myself in a situation I would rather have a handheld weapon (like a club/knife/etc) instead of a gun. - I think having more armed citizens may have prevented the Colorado shooting, but I also think that in the long run there would be many more accidental/impassioned shooting injuries and deaths in this country if places that prohibited weapons would remove those restrictions (specifically, places where big crowds gather and either get drunk or argue - like sports stadiums, rallies, music concerts, etc) -I would feel less safe if I knew everyone around me had guns, as opposed to more safe. -I think people will find ways to kill each-other with or without guns, as they have in history In general I am in favor of more gun control laws, or at least keeping guns out of the hands of the irresponsible or violently inclined. I also think that making automatic weapons more accessible to the general population is frightening because that seems to transcend the need to defend oneself. All in all though I think everyone is always quick to blame one thing or another when a disaster like this occurs. The person to blame here is the man/boy who shot the theater up, not guns or gun control. Like anything else, this one example doesn't prove that gun control is the problem and basing new gun laws off of this one incident would be brash and knee-jerk. Guns certainly can make a disaster like this happen with more ease, but as others mentioned in a different thread this person could have just as easily made a bomb from legal materials that could be purchased anywhere. Arguing the shoulda/woulda/coulda side though seems pointless to me. For example, supposing that the crowd had guns - maybe the shooter would have been killed very quickly and the scale of the massacre could have been prevented, but it also could have exacerbated the situation if civilians began to panic and perhaps shot other innocent bystanders by mistake. There really is no way to know for sure, even if politicians argue until they are blue in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted July 23, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2012 A club or a knife bring you into the enemy's territory - too close for comfort and easy to use against you. Guns do not kill nor will stricter guns laws help if one wants a gun it will be had in the dark of night illegally. Change the men's hearts and that will change the manner in which the guns are used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted July 23, 2012 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted July 23, 2012 A club or a knife bring you into the enemy's territory - too close for comfort and easy to use against you. Guns do not kill nor will stricter guns laws help if one wants a gun it will be had in the dark of night illegally. Change the men's hearts and that will change the manner in which the guns are used. A club or knife true isn't a good weapon from a distance, but my feeling is that if someone is going to try attacking me from a distance I'm probably not going to get a chance to defend myself with a gun anyways. In either case (if I had a gun or not) if someone had a gun trained on me I wouldn't try to pull a weapon out, I'd be stuck. If I was in a tight home-invasion type situation I'd rather use a blunt type makeshift weapon than blast around with a gun indoors anyways. Again though - if they had a weapon or a gun already trained on me I'd probably be stuck in either case. I just don't see that the odds I would actually be able to use my gun would be very high, even if the conditions for using it would be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojuBrian Posted July 23, 2012 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 46 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/17/1973 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Good gun training would change your mind on that subject I believe. As to the shootings in Colorado....I just don't think a civilian, trained or not, would have done any good against a gunman armed to the teeth and wearing ballistic SWAT armor like he was. Pistol rounds would have no effect much like in the L.A. bank robber shootings. BTW, I am a trained, licensed concealed handgun carrier. I don't believe in placing the blame on the inanimate objects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted July 23, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2012 Good gun training would change your mind on that subject I believe. As to the shootings in Colorado....I just don't think a civilian, trained or not, would have done any good against a gunman armed to the teeth and wearing ballistic SWAT armor like he was. Pistol rounds would have no effect much like in the L.A. bank robber shootings. BTW, I am a trained, licensed concealed handgun carrier. I don't believe in placing the blame on the inanimate objects. Nor do I, Goju; when did a gun wake up one morning and say "I'm going to massacre a crowd of people today."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 23, 2012 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,859 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 23, 2012 A club or a knife bring you into the enemy's territory - too close for comfort and easy to use against you. Guns do not kill nor will stricter guns laws help if one wants a gun it will be had in the dark of night illegally. Change the men's hearts and that will change the manner in which the guns are used. A club or knife true isn't a good weapon from a distance, but my feeling is that if someone is going to try attacking me from a distance I'm probably not going to get a chance to defend myself with a gun anyways. In either case (if I had a gun or not) if someone had a gun trained on me I wouldn't try to pull a weapon out, I'd be stuck. If I was in a tight home-invasion type situation I'd rather use a blunt type makeshift weapon than blast around with a gun indoors anyways. Again though - if they had a weapon or a gun already trained on me I'd probably be stuck in either case. I just don't see that the odds I would actually be able to use my gun would be very high, even if the conditions for using it would be good. Short barrel 12 guage shotgun with pistol grips. then once you're out of amo, you can just beat them to death with it. Personally, I'd like to see someone start trying to tame down all the video games and blood and gurs movies...... It is my perosnal thoghts that is much more of a problem than guns are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted July 24, 2012 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I am reminded that Norway has some of the strictest gun control laws ON EARTH, yet that Socialist loony killed something like 4 or 5 times as many people there as did the Colorado shooter. Removing the law-abiding citizen's ability to defend themselves AGAINST the criminal element, helps ONLY the criminal element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojuBrian Posted July 24, 2012 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 46 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/17/1973 Share Posted July 24, 2012 A club or a knife bring you into the enemy's territory - too close for comfort and easy to use against you. Guns do not kill nor will stricter guns laws help if one wants a gun it will be had in the dark of night illegally. Change the men's hearts and that will change the manner in which the guns are used. A club or knife true isn't a good weapon from a distance, but my feeling is that if someone is going to try attacking me from a distance I'm probably not going to get a chance to defend myself with a gun anyways. In either case (if I had a gun or not) if someone had a gun trained on me I wouldn't try to pull a weapon out, I'd be stuck. If I was in a tight home-invasion type situation I'd rather use a blunt type makeshift weapon than blast around with a gun indoors anyways. Again though - if they had a weapon or a gun already trained on me I'd probably be stuck in either case. I just don't see that the odds I would actually be able to use my gun would be very high, even if the conditions for using it would be good. Short barrel 12 guage shotgun with pistol grips. then once you're out of amo, you can just beat them to death with it. Personally, I'd like to see someone start trying to tame down all the video games and blood and gurs movies...... It is my perosnal thoghts that is much more of a problem than guns are That's the parents jobs, not the governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojuBrian Posted July 24, 2012 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 46 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/17/1973 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I am reminded that Norway has some of the strictest gun control laws ON EARTH, yet that Socialist loony killed something like 4 or 5 times as many people there as did the Colorado shooter. Removing the law-abiding citizen's ability to defend themselves AGAINST the criminal element, helps ONLY the criminal element. I believe he killed 79 people and used bombs and guns. Both can be had whether legal or not if you are willing. Drugs are illegal. Who here couldn't get anything they wanted if they really wanted to?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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