Listen and discern what cost?.

[7angel]

The Spirit of truth will tell you everything - in relation to sin because they not believe in me

Luke 10: 13-16

13 "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if in Tyre and Sidon, they would have done the miracles that were done in you, long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes, they would become.

14 Therefore, the judgment will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon than for you.

If hell was forever, no sense, does God delights in the suffering of the people? - No way, hell is the place where souls are purified of their sins, which suffer the same pain we have caused to others,

The sin we have committed in our earthly life sticks to our soul, for not believing in the word of God, the Gospel, because if we believed and put into practice his teachings, our sins would be erased, it is easy to understand if you stop bad behavior and good conduct adopted by the Gospel, it becomes a new man, no longer takes into account their sinful past.

15 And thou, Capernaum, to heaven you will elevate? You will sink to Hades!

Capernaum, incredulous city, who declined to become, seeing many miracles, because, had and have eyes, but not so blind that he does not want to see - or so deaf that he does not want to hear.

16 "He who hears you, hears me, and whoever rejects you, rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me."

Listen and discern what cost?.

[The_Patriot21]

Hmmm Im having a hard time following. Your suggesting hell isn't forever, and post some verses pertaining to hell, but Im sorry if I misunderstand-but theres nothing in these verses that back up your viewpoint-none at all. Youve stated that you don't believe hell to be forever, why not? these verses certainly dont say that, in fact the Bibe Does say hell is eternal. In fact, these are Jesus own words, straight from Jesus Himself:

Matthew 25:40-46

⁴⁰ “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

⁴¹ “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. ⁴² For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, ⁴³ I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

⁴⁴ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

⁴⁵ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

⁴⁶ “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

keywords here are eternal meaning forever. So hell is forever, regardless of what our beliefs are. and thats a fact-these are the words of Jesus, who is also God, and if Jesus said it, it must be 100% true, and unarguable. no wiggle room.

[7angel]

What do you think of verses 13 and 14, especially the 14?

13 "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if in Tyre and Sidon, they would have done the miracles that were done in you, long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes, they would become.

14 Therefore, the judgment will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon than for you.

According to verse 14, the sin of Bethsaida, was because they not saw on the miracles of Jesus a sign that made them reconsider their misconduct, to not believe in the word of God, but also could be deduced that, hell no is eternal, because the cities of Tyre and Sidon, they would not be judged so harshly as to Bethsaida,

If hell was eternal, the sentence would be the same for everyone..

Matthew 5

24 leave your gift there at the altar, go first and be reconciled with your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

25 Settle with your opponent quickly while on the way to court with him. Otherwise your opponent will hand you over to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the guard, and you will be thrown into prison.

26 Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny.- means that, once your debt payments, would be released -

Prison means hell, debt, are the sins, paid de last penny, is the total purification

[Jayyycuuup]

7 Angel, so you believe in Universalism I take it?

[Jayyycuuup]

Revelation 21:8 "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Mathew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Revelation 20:15 "And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire"

Mathew 25:46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Mark 9:43:48 "And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched."

You have a strong view of universalism, so there is no disputing this verse. A few of the others I am sure you can distort the meaning to fit your criteria but have fun with this one....it is absolutely straight forward (as are the others in truth) and means what it says......Hell=ETERNAL !

[The_Patriot21]

I think 7angel, that those verses have nothing to do with time in hell. In a sense, prison is hell you are correct in that-but its not that you will go there until the debt is paid-because you cannot pay the debt. Romans 6:23 says for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. the keyword there is death, eternal damnation, like what is spoken of in the verses I gave you. When you sin, you go into debt so to speak with God-and if you die, you will go to prison (hell) until the debt is paid. the catch is, once your in hell, the debt can never be paid, it is eternal damnation. You cannot argue with the words of Jesus.

The thing of it is, in romans 6:23, the second part, the gift of God-you see, the debt has already been paid all you have to do is accept it. You cannot pay the debt-it is impossible, only the sacrifice of someone who is perfect could do it, and Jesus did that on the cross. To say that those verses you posted says that after awhile in hell you pay your debt and go to heaven, not only is that reading into them, its stretching it-almost to the max, makes one wonder if you actually believe what your preaching, or if your just trying to cause strife.

The fact is, according to Jesus, and the Bible, there is only one way to heaven-and that is by placing your faith in Jesus Christ, while alive here on earth, once your dead, your doomed to eternal damnation.

If hell is not eternal, then why would Jesus say it was?

[Guest]

If hell was forever, no sense, does God delights in the suffering of the people? - No way, hell is the place where souls are purified of their sins, which suffer the same pain we have caused to others,

Hum....

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

Do You

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Mark 9:47-49

Really Think

If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. John 3:12-15

So?

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Revelation 20:11-14

Seriously~!

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15

Hum....

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. Isaiah 55:6-9

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The sin we have committed in our earthly life sticks to our soul, for not believing in the word of God, the Gospel, because if we believed and put into practice his teachings, our sins would be erased,

Believe

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

Believe

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Psalms 103:12

Jesus Or Works?

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:23-28

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Dear One

And unto this people thou shalt say, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I set before you the way of life, and the way of death. Jeremiah 21:8

Do You Boast Sufferings Will Take The Place Of Jesus At Calvary

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

He Really Does Not Save?

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, Revelation 1:5

That One's Time In Hell Will Finish God's Work On The Cross?

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. John 19:30

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Who Are Those Wicked Ones

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 2 Peter 2:1-9

Or Who Would Willingly Sit Under Them

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:1-4

Those Evil Ones Who Mock The LORD's Teachings

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. Matthew 23:8-10

With Their Mocking Ways

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

And Who Would Dare Call God A Liar

Yea, hath God said, Genesis 3:1©

Who?

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Believe

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. John 6:47

And Be Blessed Beloved

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. John 14:27

Love, Joe

[7angel]

What is death? - What is life?

God planted the tree of good and evil - says something mean to you?

God tells Adam and Eve not to eat of this tree, lest they die hopelessly.

However, they ate of the tree of good and evil, ... but ..they did not die - Adam lived 930 years - God Lie ? - Of course not.

Adam was expelled from paradise. to earn their bread by the sweat of his brow, for suffering in his life, one of his sons killed his brother, Adam suffered this? - Of course! "

What do you think of God? - Is it fair? - Is it unfair?

What is the point of a punishment? - Revenge? - Eternal punishment? - This would not be revenge, but a permanent torture, how justice can be done this way?

What do you think of God? - Is it fair? - Is it unfair?

Seek God and His righteousness, what about the righteousness of God? - What about the men?

Can man, make walking a paralytic or restore sight to the blind, raise the dead? - Absolutely not - But God, yes, this is what the justice of God, - restore the damage we do to others and we,

Where there is suffering, there is no life, - where there is life, there is no suffering

Hell is the second death, when they have paid the last penny, - God will raise

[GoldenEagle]

If hell was forever, no sense, does God delights in the suffering of the people? - No way, hell is the place where souls are purified of their sins, which suffer the same pain we have caused to others,

The sin we have committed in our earthly life sticks to our soul, for not believing in the word of God, the Gospel, because if we believed and put into practice his teachings, our sins would be erased, it is easy to understand if you stop bad behavior and good conduct adopted by the Gospel, it becomes a new man, no longer takes into account their sinful past.

God is good. God is also just. God cannot overlook sin. This makes sense right?

Psalm 33:5

“The Lord loves righteousness and justice; The earth is full of the goodness of the Lord.”

There is no Biblical evidence that people can leave Hell. In fact those who reject Christ and reject God’s Holy Spirit will suffer eternal condemnation.

Mark 3:29

“But he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation.”

What is death? - What is life?

God planted the tree of good and evil - says something mean to you?

God tells Adam and Eve not to eat of this tree, lest they die hopelessly.

However, they ate of the tree of good and evil, ... but ..they did not die - Adam lived 930 years - God Lie ? - Of course not.

What? Adam died as recorded in the Bible.

Genesis 5:5

“So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.”

Adam was expelled from paradise. to earn their bread by the sweat of his brow, for suffering in his life, one of his sons killed his brother, Adam suffered this? - Of course! "

What do you think of God? - Is it fair? - Is it unfair?

What is the point of a punishment? - Revenge? - Eternal punishment? - This would not be revenge, but a permanent torture, how justice can be done this way?

What do you think of God? - Is it fair? - Is it unfair?

Adam disobeyed God and suffered the consequences of his sin. God told Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree of good and evil. God even told Adam he would die if he disobeyed. In fact God was merciful and did not kill Adam immediately. God was generous enough to give Adam 930 year of life!

Genesis 2:16-17

¹⁶ And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; ¹⁷ but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

Seek God and His righteousness, what about the righteousness of God? - What about the men?

Can man, make walking a paralytic or restore sight to the blind, raise the dead? - Absolutely not - But God, yes, this is what the justice of God, - restore the damage we do to others and we,

Where there is suffering, there is no life, - where there is life, there is no suffering

Hell is the second death, when they have paid the last penny, - God will raise

God’s righteousness is everlasting. It does not change. God’s law is truth.

Psalm 119:142

“Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness and Your law is truth.”

There is no man who is righteous.

Romans 3:10

“As it is written: ‘There is none righteous, no, not one.’”

Where does God say in the Bible once people have paid the last penny (so to speak) in Hell that He will raise them?

I think the basic principal in error here is that everyone deserves Heaven. We do not. The greater awesome display of God’s power isn’t that He should condemn all who are sinners. That is all of us. The greater awesome display of God’s power is that He should send His Son to die for us in order to SAVE those whom He chooses and accept Jesus as their personal Savior.

[nebula]

God planted the tree of good and evil - says something mean to you?

God tells Adam and Eve not to eat of this tree, lest they die hopelessly.

However, they ate of the tree of good and evil, ... but ..they did not die - Adam lived 930 years - God Lie ? - Of course not.

Fact Check:

It was the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil.

Knowledge of something is different than the "something" itself.