How do you reconcile these two?

[gdemoss]

Psa 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high [palaces], like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Gary

[firestormx]

Psa 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high [palaces], like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Gary

I would venture to say the verse in psalms says the earth is established for ever, but don't say it has to be this earth. Remember the promise in revelations about a new heaven and a new earth. Nothing in the definition of established is nullifed by the creation of a new earth. the promise of both can be made without disagreement. Have you studied the meaning of established?

[gdemoss]

Psa 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high [palaces], like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Gary

I would venture to say the verse in psalms says the earth is established for ever, but don't say it has to be this earth. Remember the promise in revelations about a new heaven and a new earth. Nothing in the definition of established is nullifed by the creation of a new earth. the promise of both can be made without disagreement. Have you studied the meaning of established?

Established? No...maybe I should. Joco, had an interesting take upon the spiritual sense of the word earth when it is employed. We do know that the words Jesus spoke were spirit and truth. Let me take a minute and look at the word Established. Whatever earth he is referring to in the psalms is established forever while that which is in the other passes away.

Established speaks of founding something, setting a foundation. I personally am persuaded that the psalmist is speaking about the literal earth that we live upon while Jesus is speaking about the foundation (ruling authority) of heaven and earth. This coinciding with the text that speaks about God shaking the heavens and the earth and removing all that can be shaken in them. But I don't have any dogmatic conviction about it.

Gary

[firestormx]

Also try this if you haven't

Take the verses back to the hebrew and greek, see what the meaning is there.

[gdemoss]

Psa 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high [palaces], like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Gary

one is spoken from man's interpetation of forever in a song,

and the other is Christ's interpetation of the the picture of forever in a direct statement... is my best guess.

we humans write funny things in love songs

'i would climb the highest mountain for you', but never really climb mount everest.

we have to look at the source

one is a psalm written from a human to praise God, who can not be understood, and what human would have seen the full scope of time itself, like Christ has, for Christ was there in the begining... the psalmist wasnt

Interesting take, but how were the psalms written? Did they not come by the same method as all Scripture?

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.

Gary

[Littlelambseativy]

it has more to do with the words of Christ than the world. What Christ said will outlast the earth and heaven. They will disappear before Christ's words will change.

[Guest man]

it has more to do with the words of Christ than the world. What Christ said will outlast the earth and heaven. They will disappear before Christ's words will change.

This.

[Guest ninhao]

Psa 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high [palaces], like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Gary

It looks as if Jesus was using hyperbole to stress how important His words are. They are most important.

Compare Matthew 5 and Luke 16

Mat 5:18 KJV For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luk 16:17 KJV And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

[gdemoss]

Psa 78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high [palaces], like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Gary

It looks as if Jesus was using hyperbole to stress how important His words are. They are most important.

Compare Matthew 5 and Luke 16

Mat 5:18 KJV For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Luk 16:17 KJV And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

I could see this as possible. I need to study to understand the concept of hyperbole better and the times it is supposed Jesus used it as a tool.

Gary

[pg4Him]

The Hebrew word for earth used in the Psalm is the e'retz, which is the basic word for earth used all throughout the OT. It means earth in the sense of the land or the planet. That's where the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz gets its name today.

The word from Matthew is gè, which also means earth as in land or planet.

I personally think it's a bad idea to dismiss the Psalm as mere purple prose someone wrote in a love song. We can't claim that several verses in Psalms were prophetic while saying the inconvenient ones were just love song gushing.

Now here is where it gets interesting. The word for heaven is οὐρανός. That's a word used in both senses of heaven - the heavens in the sky where the rain clouds are, and also the heaven where God lives. That's the exact same word Jesus used in the Beatitudes when He said "your Father in heaven," the same one in the Lord's prayer when He said "our Father who art in heaven," and the same one when He said that even "the angels in heaven" do not know when Christ will return.

Thus I agree with Littlelambseativy. Jesus was telling them, try to imagine everything, from earth all the way to heaven, fading away and disappearing - even if that were to happen, my word would keep going.

God's word, once spoken, is more powerful than everything He 'created' all put together. His voice is that powerful. That's what Jesus meant.

We can debate the semantics of whether this earth will survive, what it will look like, whether humans will live on it, etc - but IMO the passage from Matthew 24 is irrelevant to that.

Edited October 15, 2012 by pg4Him