Should the Bride of Christ Return to its Hebrew Roots?

[Zemke]

Thank you Nebula and Selene, sometimes I brace myself for comment on what I've written not knowing if it will be taken in the spirit in which is was intended, and it's always good to know something we've said makes sense.

Praise the Lord.

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Should the Bride of Christ Return to its Hebrew Roots?

Please Excuse Me Beloved Jon But Did You Mean To Ask

And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah. Jeremiah 3:11

Should The Nation Of The Hebrew

Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Jeremiah 3:14

Return To Her Husband

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Romans 11:25-26

Her KING

I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the LORD. The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.

Sing, O daughter of Zion; shout, O Israel; be glad and rejoice with all the heart, O daughter of Jerusalem. The LORD hath taken away thy judgments, he hath cast out thine enemy: the king of Israel, even the LORD, is in the midst of thee: thou shalt not see evil any more. In that day it shall be said to Jerusalem, Fear thou not: and to Zion, Let not thine hands be slack.

The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing. Zephaniah 3:12-17

Touch'e, touch point.

[He giveth more grace]

Interesting thoughts Joe… Thanks for sharing. Glad you should ask other one.

I submit returning to Jewish roots is not the answer for the Church. Gentiles are not called to live as Jews. At least from a Biblical perspective as evidenced by the following:

I. The Jerusalem council’s decision regarding circumcision and Christians following Jewish custom as seen in Acts 15 set the precedent.

Do you disagree with this passage regarding Gentiles? Are we Gentiles called to become Jewish again?

Acts15:28-29

For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

II. Paul addressed this in the letter to the Galatians… Was his labor in vain to teach them the Gospel he wondered?

Galatians 4:10-11

¹⁰ You observe days and months and seasons and years. ¹¹ I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

III. Paul also addressed this in the letter to the Colossians:

Colossians 2:16-17

¹⁶ So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or Sabbaths, ¹⁷ which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

IV. Before we go there when Paul called on the Corinthians to "keep the Passover" in 1 Corinthians 5, he was clearly speaking of this in spiritual terms. Do you agree or disagree?

V. Regarding Feasts... What do you think of these three pre-suppositions? Do you agree or disagree? If you disagree please list reasons with Biblical backing.

(1) Celebration of the biblical feasts is not a means for a Gentile believer to "become Jewish." Jews and Gentiles have equal standing in the Lord, and Jews are not called to become Gentiles nor are Gentiles called to become Jews. (See Gal 3:28 and Col. 3:11)

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11

...where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

(2) Jesus must be central in everything we do (this cannot be overemphasized.) We are free in Christ. (See Gal. 5:1 and Rom. 8:2)

Galatians 5:1

Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Romans 8:2

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

(3) Celebration of the feasts is not commanded in the New Testament and should not be practiced in a binding or legalistic way. (See above passages)

VI. Is the Church the new Israel or are grafted into Her as Christians are adopted into God’s family?

Still need to research this last point.

I am open to discussion and correction if I am not presenting Scripture correctly.

Thoughts anyone?

In Christ,

Jon

Woot, Woot. Thumps in the upward position, Golden Eagle.

[He giveth more grace]

If I have the fulfillment, why in heaven would I walk in the foreshadow. If I have the substance of reality, why in heaven would I walk in the type - in remembrance - not I.

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Should the Bride of Christ (the Church) Return to its Hebrew Roots?

Selene, the OP talked about Hebrew Roots, not you have included the Book of the OT, which is it. Of course the OT books are extremely useful for us today, it contained knowledge, wisdom, and instructions. The OT is anointed, it is God's word. Paul told Peter, "if thou liveth as do the Gentile [believers]", so if Peter lived as do the Gentile saints, I am not going to live as do the Jews.

It is knowledge of Hebrew customs and mindset, not our playing it out in our lives today, I might carry something heavier that a dried grape on the Sabbath. The Torah wasn't meant for me in that way, but it is meant for me in some other way, but not it the doing of it.

[He giveth more grace]

What act of Judaism do you want Christians to obey. Christ is everything to me, I am complete in him. Help me understand what you mean.

Welcome to the board, btw.

[He giveth more grace]

I think we are in agreement, just there is ambiguity (is that the word), there is confusion. I see the validity of knowing the world that the Hebrews lived in, their culture and customs, very much so. We should be able to tell the months in the Jewish calendar, and explain the feast type and fulfilment, we should know the marriage custom, the whole nine yards.

You are correct in this.

[nebula]

I think we are in agreement, just there is ambiguity (is that the word), there is confusion. I see the validity of knowing the world that the Hebrews lived in, their culture and customs, very much so. We should be able to tell the months in the Jewish calendar, and explain the feast type and fulfilment, we should know the marriage custom, the whole nine yards.

You are correct in this.

With regards to the Feasts, the Knowledge makes more sense when it is lived.

Note, I'm not asking for a requirement to celebrate (if you can), just a recommendation.

[nebula]

By the way, there is a prophecy about the Feast of Tabernacles being celebrated by all the nations after Messiah rules and reigns from Jerusalem.

[He giveth more grace]

I think we are in agreement, just there is ambiguity (is that the word), there is confusion. I see the validity of knowing the world that the Hebrews lived in, their culture and customs, very much so. We should be able to tell the months in the Jewish calendar, and explain the feast type and fulfilment, we should know the marriage custom, the whole nine yards.

You are correct in this.

With regards to the Feasts, the Knowledge makes more sense when it is lived.

Note, I'm not asking for a requirement to celebrate (if you can), just a recommendation.