UN & EU

[irishcowboy]

we have a presidential candidate that feels that if we are to go to war, that it needs to be approved by the UN..... i guess he feels that the USA can not think for its self......

to me, that would be placing this nation under foreign rule........ hmmm does that match the constitution?????

not for it myself..... although there have already been US military members working under the emblems of the UN....... if I recall correctly, when i signed up, we were not to fight for foreign governments......

mike

[Az_]

Its called being a good neighbor. Waging war affects everyone around us. We all have a vested interest in what other nations do to each other. Its a social skill. It amazes me how bravado and machismo pass for foreign policy these days. What particularly floors me is the followers of the prince of peace being all for war. And they say atheists aren't found in fox holes. I always wanted to know what the believers were doing in there killing other people in the first place.

The USA does not own the world. When we do something outside our borders its considered human decency to consult with other nations. Particularly in cases of nations that have a dominant supply of important resources. Other nations have considerations about them as well. Its not our oil buried under their sand.

The UN exists to maintain the peace. It took two world wars to demonstrate the necessity of such a body. The UN is not looking to rule the world. Its just trying to find a way for us all to live in peace.

[Guest antitox]

The UN has always been the entity intended to push toward a one-world government.

Huh?

Are you kidding? I don't think the UN has the authority to meddle in the internal affairs of thier member countries.

In any event, the trend of recent years is that the UN is getting less powerful, not more.

Initially the UN was started with that underlying intent; however, it operated as a mediating element. It is obvious that it cannot accomplish anything because there is no unity in their efforts and they are not for true justice in the execution of it's global role.

[Guest antitox]

Where is this notion that everyone will eventually be part of the EU come from. It is specifically a Europeon group. It exists for the purpose of organising the Europeon countries so they can compete on even ground with the US, China, and other developing industrial powers.

As to the UN it was flawed from the start due to handing out Veto powers to a few nations. It has become ineffective because it has been abused by those nations. All the debate in the world will not suffice if one of the veto nations decides it simply doesn't want to play nice with the rest of the world.

The EU involves a more controlling financial element of countries using the same currency. Ultimately, in any scenario, financial control is the deciding factor unless a country is extremely powerful militarily in its own right, then its a question of military might for a short period. But once you have all countries on the same system (provided by the EU), then economic power rules. The EU may not like us, and they may be trying to get leverage against our economic strength, but they do want control.

The UN caters to the nations (except the U.S.), and that's why they don't have any strength. They offer veto power to nations who shouldn't have it because that is used to get them to come in and be a part of the UN assembly. I don't doubt that alot of the nations despise the UN.

[stevehut]

OK.  I meant to say that eventually there will be 130 countries.  Everyone will eventually be a part of the EU. 

I doubt it. That would defeat the explicit purpose of the EU's existence!

[CarolineS]

Hi Steve,

I have to go to work tonight. I will get back to you tomorrow.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[CarolineS]

Hi Steve,

I have to go to work tonight.  I will get back to you tomorrow.

In Christ,

CarolineS

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[CarolineS]

The EU is the beginning of the revived Roman Empire. Eventually all countries and peoples will be a part of it. The size, economic strength, ability to produce goods and market them will surpass that of the US. The only way to compete in the new market place will be to become a part of it.

Let's see what Daniel has to say about it in chapter 7, verse 23-24:

"The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces.

The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom."

All countries on the globe will join the EU and then be divided into ten regions.

I believe this global union is unfolding now. I am sure there are powerful, elite people in the US and Europe who would love to see this happen. I am sure they are behind the scenes helping to orchestrate this global alliance.

It's only a matter of time.

In Christ,

CarolineS

[stevehut]

All countries on the globe will join the EU and then be divided into ten regions.

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I'd sure like to know where you got this info.

It would make no sense for the EU to admit so many countries so far from their own borders. All of their worldly ambitions are based upon the idea of being an exclusive club among themselves.

[CarolineS]

First of all it's just a theory. But it makes sense. I do alot of reading and I've read several books on the end times.

The book of Daniel and the book of Revelation are both good sources. Daniel chapter 7 and Rev. chapter 17, verse 12. The ten toes correspond with the ten horns.

Daniel told of four kingdoms that would rule the earth. First, the Babylonians,

2) the Medes & Persians, 3) Greece, 4) a fourth kingdom that shall devour the whole earth and break it into pieces (a revived roman empire.)

What is your opinion as to what the ten toes or ten horns or ten kings represent?

I have also read:

Hope of the Wicked: The Master Plan to Rule the World; by Ted Flynn

The Sign; by Robert Van Kampen

The Beast of Revelation; by John H. Ogwyn

You may be right about the EU's intentions to start with. But alot of evil things start out looking good on the surface. In time they will show their true colors.

In Christ,

CarolineS