The Sabbath

[tsth]

To me the world isn't going to find out about Jesus by going to church...the church is going to have to go out to the world and preach Jesus everyday.

Good point as well.

I heard that wordsower, but I still say that giving people off on Sundays, makes more sense in terms of spreading the gospel! And if we are going to do that then we'd better start resting on Sundays, so that the stores and restaurants will stay closed, affording the employees to go to church and hear!

If we look at the purpose then we can pinpoint the day that accomodates it! Just as Jesus understood the purpose of the Sabbath was LOVE! We can do the same by allowing people to be off work that day, like it used to be.

(yes, I know wordsower, same story, different day! )

In His Love,

Suzanne

[wordsower]

To me the world isn't going to find out about Jesus by going to church...the church is going to have to go out to the world and preach Jesus everyday.

Amen!!

That's right! We sit up in church praising God while the world is going right on by outside on their way to hell.

[Guest ang357pat]

To me the world isn't going to find out about Jesus by going to church...the church is going to have to go out to the world and preach Jesus everyday.

Amen!!

That's right! We sit up in church praising God while the world is going right on by outside on their way to hell.

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[/to SDAinFLA you have it now It is what is inside of you. You can share jesus any day of the week not just the sabbath and to me wether it is sunday or saturday the word saids where two are more are gathered together their he is in the midst so it does not matter what day it is. I go to a care group and we gather at someones home and have church on monday nights and we feel he is their with us and it is as holy on a sunday morning; we may be layed back and wearing pants seating on someones couch, but we are praying and worshinping jesus as though we were in a church. quote]

[Arthur Durnan]

SDAinFLA really should give serious consideration to altering his Call Letters to EGHWinFLA. She was essentially the founder of "Seventh-day Adventism" and its many Judaic and far-out tenets which it strives hard to impose upon the New Testament Christian Church of twice-born believers today. Ellen Gould Harmon White and William Miller surely made an excellent Pro-Judaic Duo as opposed to the liberty which is in Christ Jesus (Galatians 5:1)..."Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Further, the very term employed by the adherents of EGHW - "Seventh-day Adventists" - is in truth a self-concocted designation used only since the middle of the 19th-century, long after the onset of New Testament Christianity. It is a term that came into being about the same time as Charles Taze Russell's "Jehovah's Witnesses" took their very distinctive term upon themselves, actually plagiarizing it from Isaiah 43:1 & 10a.

Among the many weird tenets espoused by EGHW and Uriah Smith were the "atonement-not-made-on-the-cross-but now-in-heaven" teaching (exposed in John 19:30; 1 John 4:10; etc); the tenet that Satan, not Christ is symbolized by the "Scapegoat" of Lev. 16, "The Great Controversy", Page 419, 422, etc., and that He in the end will bear the sins of the truly penitent (exposed in Hebrews 53:6,11; 1 Peter 2:24; etc.); the teaching that Christ, in the year 1844, "began the investigating & blotting out of sins" (G.C., Page 485,486) in spite of clear biblical assertions to the contrary, 1 John 2:12, Acts 10:43, Colossians 2:13, etc. And then EGHW's call for people to return to the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath even tho Jehovah said it was a sign between Him AND ISRAEL in Exodus 19:3, Exodus 20:22, in fact Exodus 20 thru 31, Exodus 31:13, etc, etc.

And wouldn't you expect what the adherents of EGHW say about HER?!! Her "gift" was - DRUM ROLL PLEASE - identical to that manifested in the lives of Old Testament prophets, that her writings are "infallible", etc! INCREDULOUS! EGHW ON A PAR WITH THE APOSTLE PAUL!! The "Review & Herald" came up with THAT one. So, too, the Adentist Gen. Conference! All this - including her far-out predictions - is exposed in God's Holy Word in Matthew 24:24; 1 John 4:1; Isaiah 8:20, Deut. 18:22.` Sorry, but EGHW'S biblical reality-check bounced a long, long time ago! Indeed a Cavalcade of Hearsay and Judaic "Entanglement."

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[SDAinFLA]

Arthur, I truly appreciate your replies and historical information on the Adventist Church. Though your responses tend to be sarcastic, I believe this might be the only method in which you were taught to defend scripture. Either way, it would not profit me to respond in like-manner.

I hear your accusations on EGW, and I completely understand where you are coming from. In my opinion, most SDA don't believe in her for the most part. So you have not given me information that is news to me. There are hundreds of websites explaining why EGW was a false profit...this is something that I am doing my own personal study on, with prayer and fasting.

However, I used all scrptures when disputing on the Sabbath...you are the one that quoted Ellen Gould White Harmon.

So while I understand what you're trying to do...I believe your methods of disputing the scriptures can be much more profitable if you weren't so busy trying to win the argument.

But again, thanks for the information, I will read it. But as for now, I am still a firm believer in the 10-commandments (not 9) and all the other "weird" doctrines of the SDA church.

Keep me in your prayers Arthur

[wordsower]

God tells us to

[wordsower]

Good point as well.

I heard that wordsower, but I still say that giving people off on Sundays, makes more sense in terms of spreading the gospel! And if we are going to do that then we'd better start resting on Sundays, so that the stores and restaurants will stay closed, affording the employees to go to church and hear!

If we look at the purpose then we can pinpoint the day that accomodates it! Just as Jesus understood the purpose of the Sabbath was LOVE! We can do the same by allowing people to be off work that day, like it used to be.

Suzanne,

Reiterating...............

The concept that you suggest was tried in days gone by. Sunday Blue Laws were instituted by some of the early Anglican settlers and our president Thomas Jefferson deemed them unconstitutional and discriminatory towards the Jews that were immigrating to our country at the time. So he introduced the 5 day work week to accomodate everyone.

That is love towards your brother, what we are called to do.

Think it through Suzanne.

[SDAinFLA]

Word,

Here are the answer to your questions...

But who is US in that context? Israel

And what were they to remember? The Sabbath day to keep it holy

why? LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

[wordsower]

But who is US in that context? Israel

And what were they to remember? The Sabbath day to keep it holy

why? LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

Glad you said Israel, hoping you don't lump the church in with them, as they are blinded and we are not.

Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy ....... for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth ...and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. Ex. 20:11

Exodus 31:13-- Speak to the children of Israel saying, Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you through out your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death....throughout your generation as a perpetual covenant.....It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever, therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath......

Remember I said that the 7th day of creation had no "and the evening and the sun were the 7th day"? It's not because He forgot to add it, it is because it was an intended end of work, for good..........God ended His work, rested, was in perfect communion with Adam and Eve, visited with them in the garden, all is good...............but the warning:

If you eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, you'll die. Eve ate it and didn't die---right away. Right? Wrong. She immediately died spiritually and was out of spiritual communion with God. That knowledge tainted the perfect union of a Holy God and a now imperfect, unholy human. This disconnectedness with God continued throughout humanity until the Holy Spirit was able to dwell in man once again through the blood of the perfect sacrifice. The Holy Spirit did not indwell in people in the Old Testament.

Israel was to remember that perfect "rest" of Eden. That union with God before sin. Egypt was symbolic of the bondage of sin and the rescue of Christ to once again unify God to His created people.

They rejected the gift, as God knew they would so they continue in the perpetual sign of the Sabbath until the veil is lifted and they are able to see.

We, the church, the believers in Jesus accept the gift, the veil is torn in two, we receive the intended permanent rest of Jesus and are spiritually one with God, just like the beginning. That is what the new birth is all about, a spiritual rebirth, we are spiritually seated in the heavenlies, we are His! We are dead in Christ, raised to the newness of life!

Hallelujia! It's SO awesome!

Glory!

[ted]

Greetings, all.

Didn't the disciples meet at one time a to discuss this very matter?

I believe they concluded that the Gentiles should not be held to the Jewish observances such as sacrifices, feasts, circumcision, et al.

Pretty much makes this debate a moot point, I think. Keeping the Sabbath (which I believe was a Saturday, originally), is but another of the observances that is not forced upon the Gentiles.

Regardless, any day I can take off for the reverence of God is fine by me.

t.