Is It Time For Biblical Conservatives To Quit?

[Tinky]

Republican leaders have capitulated, pro-family pundits have caved, and gay activists have announced that their struggle for equality is just about over. Is it time for biblical conservatives to throw in the towel?

What a ridiculous thought. Why in the world would we do that?

I’m fully aware that:

• Newt Gingrich recently announced his belief that same-sex unions are “inevitable” and that Republicans must accept this if they want to win future elections.
  
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• Pro-marriage leader David Blankenhorn has recanted his opposition to same-sex “marriage,” saying “the time has come for me to accept gay marriage and emphasize the good that it can do.”
  
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• Recent polling indicates that “the public has gradually become more accepting of same-sex marriage ... More Americans favor it in 2013 than oppose, according to the Pew Research Center.”
  
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• The 2012 elections marked the first time that any states voted to legalize same-sex “marriage” andPresident Obama, in his inaugural speech, declared that it is the task of this generation to legalize gay “marriage.”
  
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• Last week, in a 400-175 vote, British “MPs approved the second reading of a bill legalizing [same-sex] marriage, indicating a significant majority of members support the measure” as it moves through the process of legal approval.
  
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• A poll last week claimed that Americans, by “a margin of 55 percent to 33 percent” believe that the Boy Scouts “should drop its policy against openly gay members.”
  
  Yes, I’m fully aware that gay activists have declared that the “National Movement Opposing Same-Sex Marriage Is Done,” and that, to quote pioneer gay journalist Mark Segal, what’s happening today is not a “watershed” but “a tidal wave.”
  
  Long-time gay activist Cleve Jones has even stated that, “The opposition is just melting away. We have reached the hearts and minds of the American people,” and there is no turning back the clock. Yes, Jones said, “I am kind of beside myself. I have to pinch myself sometimes. I never thought I would live long enough to see this. Never. Ever.”
  
  Things have gotten to the point that, on Jan. 31, Hank Plante wrote on SFGate.com that, “I received a provocative e-mail from a prominent gay journalist this week. It had two words: ‘It’s over.’”
  
  Is the battle for “gay rights” really over? Should conservatives who differ with these “rights” throw in the towel? After all, there’s no use wasting our time and energy and resources fighting against the inevitable. In fact, the longer we fight a losing battle, the more we make ourselves look irrelevant.
  Why not consolidate our losses and live to fight another day? Surely there are other battles that deserve our attention. Why not throw in the towel when it comes to opposing the full acceptance of homosexual practice?
  
  Here are four answers to these fair and weighty questions.
  • For many years now, the unspoken mantra of gay activists (going back to the famous “zaps” of the early 1970s) has been, “We will intimidate and we will manipulate until you capitulate.” Today, when gay activists announce that we conservative believers are on the wrong side of history, it is just another form of intimidation. Surely they are not telling us these things so as to help us! So, in case it isn’t clear, let me say it plainly: We will not be intimidated.
    
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  • We do what is right because it is right, not because it is pragmatic or popular. To quote the Oregon Christian baker Aaron Klein, “I’d rather stand up for what I believe in and what I feel is right and get totally annihilated when it comes in the end than to bow down to this and say ‘go ahead.’ Because that sets the standard for the next one, the next one, and the next one.” In the famous words of Dr. Martin Luther King, “Cowardice asks the question, ‘Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ But conscience asks the question, ‘Is it right?’ And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one it is right.”
    
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  • Polls and popularity trends do not determine what is morally right and wrong. One generation ago, sex out of wedlock was frowned upon. Today, it’s accepted as a normal part of life. Yet a recent U.S. Census report indicates that “Being raised in a married family reduced a child’s probability of living in poverty by about 82 percent.” Popularity does not necessarily equate with morality, and only a fool makes moral choices based on the polls.
    
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  • I’m not in the least bit surprised by the victories of the “gay revolution.” In fact, when I first became involved in this specific aspect of the “culture wars” less than nine years ago, I saw back then that our side had already lost the battle and that gay activism had won the day. So, these recent developments don’t faze or surprise me in the least. From day one, my trust was in God, not people, and that’s where my trust remains. Attempts to redefine marriage and family and to normalize different sexual orientations may have their day, but that day will pass.
    

  In the end, I can truly thank gay activists for helping us understand their world better—including the pain of bullying and the unique struggles they have endured—and for that, I am grateful. And I can admire their zeal and courage, even while differing with their goals.

  But just as they didn’t throw in the towel when they were a tiny, vilified, minority, much less we will throw in the towel when their revolution seems to be winning the day. This too shall pass.

  http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/38241-is-it-time-for-biblical-conservatives-to-throw-in-the-towel?

[Jayyycuuup]

~Edmund Burke~

"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing."

Psalm 97:10

"Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked"

I loved this one:

<snip>In the famous words of Dr. Martin Luther King, “Cowardice asks the question, ‘Is it safe?’ Expediency asks the question, ‘Is it politic?’ But conscience asks the question, ‘Is it right?’ And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one it is right.”<snip>

[livinginadrywell]

I don't care about gay people. Their pain and struggle means nothing to me, because a perfectly content and peaceful male has the power to be gay, and there is no logic to support their action. Dwelling on this topic is getting ridiculous and a waste of the time of any true Christian.

[Guest]

I don't care about gay people. Their pain and struggle means nothing to me, because a perfectly content and peaceful male has the power to be gay, and there is no logic to support their action. Dwelling on this topic is getting ridiculous and a waste of the time of any true Christian.

Welcome~!

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I Agree About Homosexual Behavior Being A Sin

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Romans 1:24-28

And Not Just Some Quirk Of Creation

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:31

Nevertheless I Love Them

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20

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Isn't This Discussion Wonderful?

Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend. Proverbs 27:17

Even For Simple Christians

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 18:3

Like Me

Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Romans 12:15-16

[Jayyycuuup]

livinginadrywell

We all have sinned

Romans 3:23 " for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"

And need Jesus

1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin."

For nothing but the Blood of Jesus, can wash away our sins

Hebrews 9:22 "Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins."

Do not hate

1 John 4:20 "If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen."

But Love

1 John 4:8 "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."

For this is the Commandment of Christ

John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another."

You do not have to sit with them, but do correct

Psalm 26:5 "I abhor the assembly of evildoers and refuse to sit with the wicked."

Be a Servant of the Almighty God

John 12:26 "If anyone serves me, he must follow me; and where I am, there will my servant be also. If anyone serves me, the Father will honor him."

And take Heed of what the Lord has commanded!

Hebrews 3:12 "Take heed, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God."

Because without Him, we can do nothing

John 15:5 "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me and I in Him, the same bringeth forth much fruit, for without me, ye can do nothing."

But through Him, we are more than conquerors

Romans 8:37 "No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us"

So do not Judge

Mathew 7:10 ""Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

For you were called to Love and Called to serve

Galatians 5:13-14 "or you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

So LOVE !

1 Corinthians 13:4-8 " Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away."

Where would you be, if God said to you, your a waste of time? You would be lost in Darkness, but because of His love, you enjoy the light!

Job 33:28 "He redeemed my soul from going down to the pit, and I will live to enjoy the light."

Are you worth more than another? Christ died for ALL men,

1 John 3:18 "For Christ also hath ONCE suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

But we NEED Jesus to take it away

1 John 3:5 "But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin."

Only the LIGHT of the LORD can change their ways

John 1:5 "The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it."

And how do they come to know of it? By hearing!

Romans 10:17 "Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ."

For it is by grace we are saved

Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-"

Believe, and Be blessed

[nebula]

Getting back on topic:

Republican leaders have capitulated, pro-family pundits have caved, and gay activists have announced that their struggle for equality is just about over.

The only thing that will heal this land is:

"If my people who are called by My Name will humble themselves and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways...."

The Church needs to clean house.

We worship at the same altar of entertainment as the rest of the world.

We are guilty of the same sexual immorality the world is engaged in.

We gossip, criticize, slander, play politics in-church, seek power, etc. Church's can be as much a filthy corporation as any secular organization.

The list can go on.

And then we think it's "what the world is doing" for which God will judge us.

Sigh.

[The_Patriot21]

someone, who truly believes what they are doing is right-will never quit. Is the outcome inevitable? sure. We know things will get worse. However, we also know that in the end Jesus wins-no matter what-and like nebula has stated, if this nation needs Jesus. Cowards quit-christians keep fighting-no matter what.

[joi]

To quit would mean no longer believing in Jesus and the power of His resurrection, as far as I am concerned.

When we believe in the truth of the Gospel there is no giving up. God has left prophecy for us and we know what

is ultimately coming, but that does not excuse us and say to us that we can give up.

[Jayyycuuup]

someone, who truly believes what they are doing is right-will never quit. Is the outcome inevitable? sure. We know things will get worse. However, we also know that in the end Jesus wins-no matter what-and like nebula has stated, if this nation needs Jesus. Cowards quit-christians keep fighting-no matter what.

Amen!

[John Robinson]

In any military campaign there comes a point when the troops know the battle is lost. Two decisions then present themselves: quit or fight on. I'm reminded of the defenders of the Alamo. By the second day of fighting, every man in that fort knew how things were going to end, yet they battled on, to the death.

That's called honor.

So it is here in America. Any Christian with two working brain cells know we won't win this. The tide has turned, and no nation in history has ever come back the from moral and spiritual free-fall we find ourselves in. Jesus will fix this all in the end, no doubt, but until that day comes, we're called to fight the darkness until we draw our last breath. As I said, in the natural we won't win. We know this, and does the world. But still, we battle on.

That's called honor too.