Will Our Beloved Pets be with Us in Heaven?

[GoldenEagle]

I think it rather foolish not to think of heaven as a place populated by many animals.

Something Scripture is silent on is foolish if it disagrees with your view? Interesting.

[GoldenEagle]

Will our beloved pets be with us in heaven?

I think I can honestly say this: I have no idea.

But Scripture does say this:

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. -- 1 Corinthians 2:9

Amen! I look forward to this!

Amen X 2.

[GoldenEagle]

There isn't an outright support for or against it. However, there is more evidence that it's highly possible.

I agree it's a possibility brother. Thanks for your patience in helping me understand what you were trying to communicate.

Once again we're talking about a possibility. Scripture is silent on this matter. So the opinion that A. there may be pets or animals in Heaven is of equal weight as that of someone B. who says there will not be pets in Heaven. There is no way to verify this one way or another except when we die.

It's really a moot point. Either there will be animals in Heaven and it will great or there won't be and it will still be awesome! Heaven is not about our hapiness but about God's glory would you agree? Now, we will be joyful, happy, etc. in Heaven. Still again Scripture is silent on this matter.

God bless,

GE

[Spirit_Tracker]

I think it rather foolish not to think of heaven as a place populated by many animals.

Something Scripture is silent on is foolish if it disagrees with your view? Interesting.

Scripture is not silent though

Isa 65:23-25 NASB "They will not labor in vain, Or bear children for calamity; For they are the offspring of those blessed by the LORD, And their descendants with them. (24) "It will also come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear. (25) "The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent's food. They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain," says the LORD.

Isa 11:4-9 NASB But with righteousness He will judge the poor, And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth; And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked. (5) Also righteousness will be the belt about His loins, And faithfulness the belt about His waist. (6) And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, And the leopard will lie down with the young goat, And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. (7) Also the cow and the bear will graze, Their young will lie down together, And the lion will eat straw like the ox. (8) The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper's den. (9) They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea.

God can and will make the animals speak. SO remember, every animal we abused, we will give an account for.

Num 22:22-28 NASB But God was angry because he was going, and the angel of the LORD took his stand in the way as an adversary against him. Now he was riding on his donkey and his two servants were with him. (23) When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way with his drawn sword in his hand, the donkey turned off from the way and went into the field; but Balaam struck the donkey to turn her back into the way. (24) Then the angel of the LORD stood in a narrow path of the vineyards, with a wall on this side and a wall on that side. (25) When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she pressed herself to the wall and pressed Balaam's foot against the wall, so he struck her again. (26) The angel of the LORD went further, and stood in a narrow place where there was no way to turn to the right hand or the left. (27) When the donkey saw the angel of the LORD, she lay down under Balaam; so Balaam was angry and struck the donkey with his stick. (28) And the LORD opened the mouth of the donkey, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?"

God even describe the gender of the donkey... she was important to God.

GOD CARED ABOUT THE DONKEY!!!!!!

Num 22:32-33 NASB The angel of the LORD said to him, "Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out as an adversary, because your way was contrary to me. (33) "But the donkey saw me and turned aside from me these three times. If she had not turned aside from me, I would surely have killed you just now, and let her live."

PRAISE GOD!

Edited March 7, 2013 by Spirit_Tracker

[Spirit_Tracker]

There isn't an outright support for or against it. However, there is more evidence that it's highly possible.

I agree it's a possibility brother. Thanks for your patience in helping me understand what you were trying to communicate.

Once again we're talking about a possibility. Scripture is silent on this matter. So the opinion that A. there may be pets or animals in Heaven is of equal weight as that of someone B. who says there will not be pets in Heaven. There is no way to verify this one way or another except when we die.

It's really a moot point. Either there will be animals in Heaven and it will great or there won't be and it will still be awesome! Heaven is not about our hapiness but about God's glory would you agree? Now, we will be joyful, happy, etc. in Heaven. Still again Scripture is silent on this matter.

God bless,

GE

That's fine Goldeneagle, and thank you for your understanding... it is moot, certainly. But i don't think it's vain to ponder these things.

[OneLight]

No matter what we think we know, we still see in a mirror dimly, or through a glass darkly. We think small because we are small, not matter how many mysteries we believe have been revealed to us. Truth be told, we cannot even imagine what He has in store for us. Yet, I will wait to know what these possibilities may be until I am with Him and He makes it clear to me. I don't want to be mislead by any miscommunication my flesh may give as I listen to what He tells me about what is not in scripture.

I can understand OneLight. But why is it that we must see through a mirror dimly or a glass darkly?

I really is a whole lot simpler than you try to make it. It is because scripture tells us this.

1 Corinthians 13:12

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

Right, I see what you're saying. Although the Word of God is never complicated, this mustn't be confused with that it is never complex. I agree that our knowledge, that we'll have when we are face to face with Christ, will seem dim comparatively speaking to our knowledge that we have now. You want to see complicated then read Barnes and Henry's commentary on 1 Corinthians 13:12 lol.

I don't read commentaries. There are so many that don't agree that a person can walk away far more confused then they were when they first started.

This thread has very little to do with the word of Go. This thread is basically asking the question all pet owners have, or had, about their pets. The problem arises when others come in saying that God told them this and that when scripture is silent. God can reveal certain specifics about our personal walk to us that is not found in scripture, as you mentioned about who should we marry, but to claim that one is given special revelations, red flags pop up everywhere in me.

Okay, so you don't believe that God can and is willing to answer such a question asked of Him because it's not salvation critical. You've made that point... and we disagree, but because we disagree, now I feel you are going even further by trying to discredit me in other ways as well. You know, I've enjoyed coming on here and contributing in various ways, sharing my faith and consulting with scripture on matters...Please, if you are trying to push me into a corner, don't. I am just simply sharing my faith. This question that I asked is not proposed to steer people away from Christ or the Truth in the bible, and I don't believe has. So I am going to revert back to the scriptures I posted in the original post as being all the confirmation I need to believe that our beloved pets will be with us in heaven. These are the scriptures I believe God showed me when I prayed and asked of Him this question. I have asked this question for 30 years... and each time I pray about it, I believe it has been confirmed. My confirmation from God came from these verses, although the verse themselves are not a direct answer, they are very supportive of the answer to such a question. It is important to me to know, and I believe God knows that... not as a salvation critical matter, but as a being with a heart. This thread started out as sharing scripture of God's covenant with his creation, all of them, and how I believe these are verse support an answer to my question.

As far as the Holy Spirit speaking beyond scripture, many have debated over this time and time again, some for, whilst others opposed to it's concept. Some people believe that to say "God speaks beyond scripture" is inviting abuse in one way or another, however, if people are going to abuse, they are going to abuse in God's Word and out of it too. You'd be surprised who all believes God speaks beyond scripture... but never contradicting it. However, my response from God came on the back of scripture...

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that when we have such a question, and we believe God has answered, to know if the answer we believe we have received is what He really was saying will not be proven until the time comes for us to be with Him. The fact is, if it is not in scripture, we should always keep it personal and not make it a doctrinal stance for others. To be more direct, if you believe God told you that you pet will be in heaven, since it is not in scripture, it is extra-biblical and should be held at the personal level and not make it equal to scripture.

Take a long look around you. Many who have included their personal revelation into their doctrine are those who have divided the body we see today, and have weakened the body with such. God gave us His word and this is our standard we are to follow. If someone follows the bible while including their personal revelation, they are not following the word of God, but a mixture of His word and their personal doctrine. When something is not found in scripture, place it at a lower level then scripture, no matter how sure we are. God will never go against His word and His word is what we need to regain a relationship with Him.

[GoldenEagle]

God can and will make the animals speak. SO remember, every animal we abused, we will give an account for.

God cares about all of His creation. I agree with that.

God can make animals speak and it happened once in Scripture. We will give an account for everything we do in this life.

My issue with this line of thinking is that it is easy to slip into placing animals in the same category as human beings. Animals (not eternal - no evidence for souls Biblically) are important but human beings (eternal - have souls Biblically speaking) are more important. Instead of having compassion for animals perhaps a better use of our time would be compassion for people? There's a lost and dying world out there.

Once again we're talking about a possibility. Scripture is silent on this matter. So the opinion that A. there may be pets or animals in Heaven is of equal weight as that of someone B. who says there will not be pets in Heaven. There is no way to verify this one way or another except when we die.

It's really a moot point. Either there will be animals in Heaven and it will great or there won't be and it will still be awesome! Heaven is not about our hapiness but about God's glory would you agree? Now, we will be joyful, happy, etc. in Heaven. Still again Scripture is silent on this matter.

God bless,

GE

That's fine Goldeneagle, and thank you for your understanding... it is moot, certainly. But i don't think it's vain to ponder these things.

As Christians I believe there are two things we should focus that have eternal value: God's Word and people. Everything else is just white noise. Would you agree?

God bless,

GE

[Spirit_Tracker]

No matter what we think we know, we still see in a mirror dimly, or through a glass darkly. We think small because we are small, not matter how many mysteries we believe have been revealed to us. Truth be told, we cannot even imagine what He has in store for us. Yet, I will wait to know what these possibilities may be until I am with Him and He makes it clear to me. I don't want to be mislead by any miscommunication my flesh may give as I listen to what He tells me about what is not in scripture.

I can understand OneLight. But why is it that we must see through a mirror dimly or a glass darkly?

I really is a whole lot simpler than you try to make it. It is because scripture tells us this.

1 Corinthians 13:12

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

Right, I see what you're saying. Although the Word of God is never complicated, this mustn't be confused with that it is never complex. I agree that our knowledge, that we'll have when we are face to face with Christ, will seem dim comparatively speaking to our knowledge that we have now. You want to see complicated then read Barnes and Henry's commentary on 1 Corinthians 13:12 lol.

I don't read commentaries. There are so many that don't agree that a person can walk away far more confused then they were when they first started.

This thread has very little to do with the word of Go. This thread is basically asking the question all pet owners have, or had, about their pets. The problem arises when others come in saying that God told them this and that when scripture is silent. God can reveal certain specifics about our personal walk to us that is not found in scripture, as you mentioned about who should we marry, but to claim that one is given special revelations, red flags pop up everywhere in me.

Okay, so you don't believe that God can and is willing to answer such a question asked of Him because it's not salvation critical. You've made that point... and we disagree, but because we disagree, now I feel you are going even further by trying to discredit me in other ways as well. You know, I've enjoyed coming on here and contributing in various ways, sharing my faith and consulting with scripture on matters...Please, if you are trying to push me into a corner, don't. I am just simply sharing my faith. This question that I asked is not proposed to steer people away from Christ or the Truth in the bible, and I don't believe has. So I am going to revert back to the scriptures I posted in the original post as being all the confirmation I need to believe that our beloved pets will be with us in heaven. These are the scriptures I believe God showed me when I prayed and asked of Him this question. I have asked this question for 30 years... and each time I pray about it, I believe it has been confirmed. My confirmation from God came from these verses, although the verse themselves are not a direct answer, they are very supportive of the answer to such a question. It is important to me to know, and I believe God knows that... not as a salvation critical matter, but as a being with a heart. This thread started out as sharing scripture of God's covenant with his creation, all of them, and how I believe these are verse support an answer to my question.

As far as the Holy Spirit speaking beyond scripture, many have debated over this time and time again, some for, whilst others opposed to it's concept. Some people believe that to say "God speaks beyond scripture" is inviting abuse in one way or another, however, if people are going to abuse, they are going to abuse in God's Word and out of it too. You'd be surprised who all believes God speaks beyond scripture... but never contradicting it. However, my response from God came on the back of scripture...

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that when we have such a question, and we believe God has answered, to know if the answer we believe we have received is what He really was saying will not be proven until the time comes for us to be with Him. The fact is, if it is not in scripture, we should always keep it personal and not make it a doctrinal stance for others. To be more direct, if you believe God told you that you pet will be in heaven, since it is not in scripture, it is extra-biblical and should be held at the personal level and not make it equal to scripture.

Take a long look around you. Many who have included their personal revelation into their doctrine are those who have divided the body we see today, and have weakened the body with such. God gave us His word and this is our standard we are to follow. If someone follows the bible while including their personal revelation, they are not following the word of God, but a mixture of His word and their personal doctrine. When something is not found in scripture, place it at a lower level then scripture, no matter how sure we are. God will never go against His word and His word is what we need to regain a relationship with Him.

I agree with that. This topic was started, not be equal with doctrine but, from the inspiration of God's Word. But honestly, I am not the one taking it to the degree of doctrine. The things that are moot points in this topic are subject to discussion and not necessarily in need of a one-sided agreement. They are not salvation critical. Nothing that is inspired by scripture, but not exactly spelled out in scripture, is for the dividing up of believers. It's mankind's interpretation of scripture the forcing thereof that have divided believers. Division comes from those who are forcing their doctrine on others, both from scripture and from extra-biblical sources. If they don't agree with them on scripture, then they deem them an apostate or not really saved.

With all due respect, I am going to hold my ground on this one. I have provided ample scripture that are supportive of my belief. I am sharing my faith. I have provided scripture on the following;

God has a covenant with the animals of earth.

God created animals originally to be non-perishable, and they will be that again on the new earth.

There is solid evidence that animals are in the new earth.

There is solid evidence that there are animals in heaven (the angels ride on horses) as well as animal like creatures in Rev. like a calf, lion and eagle.

There is solid evidence that God cares about animals and has a purpose for them.

There is solid evidence that God hates the abuse of animals.

There is solid evidence that God can make animals speak on their own behalf.

There is solid evidence that every created living creature, in heaven, on earth and in sea, and everything between, will shout "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessings, and honor, and glory and dominion forever and ever"

[OneLight]

No matter what we think we know, we still see in a mirror dimly, or through a glass darkly. We think small because we are small, not matter how many mysteries we believe have been revealed to us. Truth be told, we cannot even imagine what He has in store for us. Yet, I will wait to know what these possibilities may be until I am with Him and He makes it clear to me. I don't want to be mislead by any miscommunication my flesh may give as I listen to what He tells me about what is not in scripture.

I can understand OneLight. But why is it that we must see through a mirror dimly or a glass darkly?

I really is a whole lot simpler than you try to make it. It is because scripture tells us this.

1 Corinthians 13:12

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

Right, I see what you're saying. Although the Word of God is never complicated, this mustn't be confused with that it is never complex. I agree that our knowledge, that we'll have when we are face to face with Christ, will seem dim comparatively speaking to our knowledge that we have now. You want to see complicated then read Barnes and Henry's commentary on 1 Corinthians 13:12 lol.

I don't read commentaries. There are so many that don't agree that a person can walk away far more confused then they were when they first started.

This thread has very little to do with the word of Go. This thread is basically asking the question all pet owners have, or had, about their pets. The problem arises when others come in saying that God told them this and that when scripture is silent. God can reveal certain specifics about our personal walk to us that is not found in scripture, as you mentioned about who should we marry, but to claim that one is given special revelations, red flags pop up everywhere in me.

Okay, so you don't believe that God can and is willing to answer such a question asked of Him because it's not salvation critical. You've made that point... and we disagree, but because we disagree, now I feel you are going even further by trying to discredit me in other ways as well. You know, I've enjoyed coming on here and contributing in various ways, sharing my faith and consulting with scripture on matters...Please, if you are trying to push me into a corner, don't. I am just simply sharing my faith. This question that I asked is not proposed to steer people away from Christ or the Truth in the bible, and I don't believe has. So I am going to revert back to the scriptures I posted in the original post as being all the confirmation I need to believe that our beloved pets will be with us in heaven. These are the scriptures I believe God showed me when I prayed and asked of Him this question. I have asked this question for 30 years... and each time I pray about it, I believe it has been confirmed. My confirmation from God came from these verses, although the verse themselves are not a direct answer, they are very supportive of the answer to such a question. It is important to me to know, and I believe God knows that... not as a salvation critical matter, but as a being with a heart. This thread started out as sharing scripture of God's covenant with his creation, all of them, and how I believe these are verse support an answer to my question.

As far as the Holy Spirit speaking beyond scripture, many have debated over this time and time again, some for, whilst others opposed to it's concept. Some people believe that to say "God speaks beyond scripture" is inviting abuse in one way or another, however, if people are going to abuse, they are going to abuse in God's Word and out of it too. You'd be surprised who all believes God speaks beyond scripture... but never contradicting it. However, my response from God came on the back of scripture...

No, that is not what I am saying. I am saying that when we have such a question, and we believe God has answered, to know if the answer we believe we have received is what He really was saying will not be proven until the time comes for us to be with Him. The fact is, if it is not in scripture, we should always keep it personal and not make it a doctrinal stance for others. To be more direct, if you believe God told you that you pet will be in heaven, since it is not in scripture, it is extra-biblical and should be held at the personal level and not make it equal to scripture.

Take a long look around you. Many who have included their personal revelation into their doctrine are those who have divided the body we see today, and have weakened the body with such. God gave us His word and this is our standard we are to follow. If someone follows the bible while including their personal revelation, they are not following the word of God, but a mixture of His word and their personal doctrine. When something is not found in scripture, place it at a lower level then scripture, no matter how sure we are. God will never go against His word and His word is what we need to regain a relationship with Him.

I agree with that. This topic was started, not be equal with doctrine but, from the inspiration of God's Word. But honestly, I am not the one taking it to the degree of doctrine. The things that are moot points in this topic are subject to discussion and not necessarily in need of a one-sided agreement. They are not salvation critical. Nothing that is inspired by scripture, but not exactly spelled out in scripture, is for the dividing up of believers. It's mankind's interpretation of scripture the forcing thereof that have divided believers. Division comes from those who are forcing their doctrine on others, both from scripture and from extra-biblical sources. If they don't agree with them on scripture, then they deem them an apostate or not really saved.

With all due respect, I am going to hold my ground on this one. I have provided ample scripture that are supportive of my belief. I am sharing my faith. I have provided scripture on the following;

God has a covenant with the animals of earth.

God created animals originally to be non-perishable, and they will be that again on the new earth.

There is solid evidence that animals are in the new earth.

There is solid evidence that there are animals in heaven (the angels ride on horses) as well as animal like creatures in Rev. like a calf, lion and eagle.

There is solid evidence that God cares about animals and has a purpose for them.

There is solid evidence that God hates the abuse of animals.

There is solid evidence that God can make animals speak on their own behalf.

There is solid evidence that every created living creature, in heaven, on earth and in sea, and everything between, will shout "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessings, and honor, and glory and dominion forever and ever"

Will you point to scripture where you find your solid evidence as to when we will be confronted by those whom we have done wrong to, be it human or not? Your statement "There is solid evidence that God can make animals speak on their own behalf." is a personal belief, from what I have read. The scripture I stand on are the ones where the books will be opened, or we will be judged according to our works. There is never any mention of any created standing in person with accusations on that day.

Division comes from those who are forcing their doctrine on others, both from scripture and from extra-biblical sources. If they don't agree with them on scripture, then they deem them an apostate or not really saved.

Divisions comes when someone hears or thinks something that is outside of the beliefs of others, and decides to follow them voluntarily, not by force.

[Spirit_Tracker]

God can and will make the animals speak. SO remember, every animal we abused, we will give an account for.

God cares about all of His creation. I agree with that.

God can make animals speak and it happened once in Scripture. We will give an account for everything we do in this life.

My issue with this line of thinking is that it is easy to slip into placing animals in the same category as human beings. Animals are important but human beings are more important. Instead of having compassion for animals perhaps a better use of our time would be compassion for people? There's a lost and dying world out there.

Once again we're talking about a possibility. Scripture is silent on this matter. So the opinion that A. there may be pets or animals in Heaven is of equal weight as that of someone B. who says there will not be pets in Heaven. There is no way to verify this one way or another except when we die.

It's really a moot point. Either there will be animals in Heaven and it will great or there won't be and it will still be awesome! Heaven is not about our hapiness but about God's glory would you agree? Now, we will be joyful, happy, etc. in Heaven. Still again Scripture is silent on this matter.

God bless,

GE

That's fine Goldeneagle, and thank you for your understanding... it is moot, certainly. But i don't think it's vain to ponder these things.

As Christians I believe there are two things we should focus that eternal value: God's Word and people. Everything else is just white noise. Would you agree?

God bless,

GE

I agree Goldeneagle, those who hold animals up to the same importance of people need prayer. But, being mature Christians, we also shouldn't think in extremes either though. Just because animals aren't equally important, doesn't mean that God doesn't have a plan for them in heaven or on the new earth. I believe there are those who are called to aid, rescue, and care for animals. The matures ones like JohnDB, know that people are more important, but they still understand that animals were never meant to be abused, trampled on, and devalued by us. God gifted us with them for companionship originally. Nothing more... for us to enjoy them, to the fullest extent possible. They were cursed along with man and will be restored along with the believers. That's a fact.

Blessings