What is meant to be born again?

[Sevenseas]

Sorry...I deleted my post but I see you quoted it so I came back briefly. OK ~ well seems the focus is on that church...like I said, I just scanned the article linked to, but it seems 'off' somehow

Spirit bodies? I have seen this here and there lately...we know Jesus had a physical body after He rose from the dead...so what is this spirit body teaching?

Thanks!

[Mcgyver]

Sorry...I deleted my post but I see you quoted it so I came back briefly. OK ~ well seems the focus is on that church...like I said, I just scanned the article linked to, but it seems 'off' somehow

Spirit bodies? I have seen this here and there lately...we know Jesus had a physical body after He rose from the dead...so what is this spirit body teaching?

Thanks!

The article itself seems to be taking issue with the "traditional" (i.e. Scriptural) definition of "Born-Again" and going waaayyy out into left field.

As far as spirit body teaching....bad exegesis, bad hermeneutic, and "special revelation" (also known as "what I think" it means. )

[WIP]

You must acknowledge that are you sinner and in need to be redeemed. Having seen your sin which you previously loved you now despise it and turn from it asking the Lord Jesus for forgiveness.... and choosing "the life" which Christ has offered us.

We are then born again.

As we abide and walk in Christ we are being saved

If we endure to the end we are saved.

[GoldenEagle]

Sorry...I deleted my post but I see you quoted it so I came back briefly. OK ~ well seems the focus is on that church...like I said, I just scanned the article linked to, but it seems 'off' somehow

Spirit bodies? I have seen this here and there lately...we know Jesus had a physical body after He rose from the dead...so what is this spirit body teaching?

Thanks!

The article itself seems to be taking issue with the "traditional" (i.e. Scriptural) definition of "Born-Again" and going waaayyy out into left field.

As far as spirit body teaching....bad exegesis, bad hermeneutic, and "special revelation" (also known as "what I think" it means. )

I agree brother...

[NeedYouLord]

When I was "born again" I was changed in the blink of an eye...All of a sudden I heard things a different way...I could see the world differently...It actually felt like I had been filled with God's Love and Peace...It was an incredible experience...and beautiful...I haven't been the same since...and it's been a very long time...

It is true: we are made new...In Him...Jesus my Lord and Savior...

[PortiaSamantha]

Indeed it means "It means dying to self and being reborn in Christ through repentance and faith" as Tinky and others state

The purpose behind it all is this; If something has to be born again then it simply implies that it was born before and in our case we were born in the order of Adam hence scripture says "All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" and all that qualified us as fallen short of glory is simply being BEING, no works nothing.

To be restored we also get BORN but again, this time around in the order of Christ where we cry Abba Father or God is our father.

To be born again means to be restored or renewed hence scripture says we are new creatures in Christ

[enoob57]

4000 years of man's history after sin entered into him... Jesus said 'you must be born again'!

This is what Jesus brought into the world- 'a Witness to truth'

Jn 18:37

37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king.

For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of

the truth hears My voice."

NASU

When God told me the situation of the world and myself I easily believed Him ... because this is one messed

up place and I was a member! A man loving life, in his carved out section of it, has a neighbor next

door that is sexually assaulting his child because of self centered motivations of evil lust... the neighbor he doesn't

know it- oh he knows its happening in the world but not as he is aware in his little carved out section! This present

evil should keep us in constant hatred of our flesh and this world... Is it so in us? The fact He knows it exist here

should cause hatred for this place and what is being done in it!

1 Jn 2:15-17

15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world — the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life — is not of the Father

but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

NKJV

If it isn't so and you are loving this life .... perhaps you are not born of God -?-

I know I came this way

Php 2:12-16

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,

work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

14 Do all things without complaining and disputing, 15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault

in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world, 16 holding fast the word of life,

so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.

NKJV

Love, Steven

[freeman455]

Have you had someone ask if you were “Born Again”? This seems to be a standard question from one who considers themself to be Christian. The answer to that question should be “no” I am not born again, but I am in the process of being born again at a future time. Let me explain. Before an individual can begin to understand Gods truth and what He stands for, he or she must first know about Him and His Son, Jesus Christ. When I say one must hear about Jesus Christ, they must understand what He is all about and that He was the first to be born again. He is the first of the “First Fruits”. All who are alive now are still physical mortal beings, flesh and blood, still capable of dying of a physical death. Before the born again process can take place one must accept Jesus Christ as their redeemer, their personal Savior.

Once this has been accomplished and one accepts Jesus as their Redeemer, they are then a potential “Son of God”. While this is being accomplished an individual then begins to understand, they begin to comprehend in their mind what God is all about. While this is occurring one is in the process of having a new birth in the future, being born again, not yet fully born in a Spiritual form for they are still physical in nature. This is only the preparation stage of being born in the Spirit or being born again. When God is calling an individual they are in the process of being convicted by the Spirit of God. Then the Holy Spirit will begin working in the mind and is the first step in becoming born again in a future time when they will become Spirit beings. The complete birth process or being “born again” won’t occur until our Lord and Savior returns. Then and only then are we changed to spirit, being born again of a Spirit Essence. Being human and of the flesh you are then a potential son of God, not yet born in the God family until He returns. You are still human in nature, not spirit.

Notice in 1st Corinthians ch 15: verse 23; “but every man in his own order, (everyone that has been called by God and who has become His potential son, will become God’s Son in the order and the time God chooses for them) Christ the first fruits: (Jesus Christ was the first one “Born Again of the Spirit” And this occurred at the resurrection. He was the first of the First Fruits.) Only the one’s who belong to Jesus Christ will be born again at His Coming and not before. That includes those who are in the grave.

As stated before, before an individual can become a Christian they must first hear and understand why our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died for us. As an individual continues to study and hear more about the Gospel (good news) of God, then they are in the process of being called or converted by God. After one has made A decision to confess Christ with their own mouth and then be baptized, then and only then are they on their way of being born as a Spirit being in the future. But until that time, that individual is still a physical being. Not yet spirit. Not yet born again, but only a potential son of God in the physical, only becoming a Spirit Son of God when Jesus Christ returns.

“THE PHYSICAL & SPIRITUAL STRUCTURE”

(Please read 1 Corinthians Ch 15:)

When God created man and woman, He had a plan already in place for them. That plan included a Family structure, both physical and Spiritual. Scripture tells us that Adam knew Eve and Eve bore Children. God made it possible for when man and woman have a relationship that the man will impregnate a woman with his seed. As this occurs and if all is as it should be inside the womb, a human being will be conceived inside the womb and that being will start to grow. The being inside the womb must be nourished and fed by the mother by what she eats and is then given to the baby being formed in the womb, in turn the baby will grow for nine months and then he or she will be born to a physical life.

For an individual to be born is not an instant process. The mother for the next nine months has to make sure that the right nourishment is given to this child through the life support in which she provides through her own body. After a time process of nine months the child will then be born and it will be born in a physical state. All the time this child is being protected inside the womb of its mother.

Now, let us look at a Christian’s life and how it to is developed. When a person begins to hear the Word of God and to hear about God’s Son, Jesus Christ, that individual is in the process of having a spiritual relationship, just as a physical man and woman have a physical relationship. As an individual listens and begins to learn from God’s word, he or she is in the process of the future birth with God’s Holy Spirit. Now when one is baptized, they at that time are impregnated with God’s Holy Spirit and, just as a baby in it mothers womb, they to have to go through a time process in the spiritual womb of God. They have to, just as the baby in the womb, are be nourished with the right food (spiritual in nature). So as a baby in the physical womb has a time to be born, so does a Christian in the spiritual womb have a time process before they are “BORN AGAIN”. That born again birth will not occur until Jesus Christ returns and all who are alive and are in the embryo stage will at that time be changed from a PHYSICAL BEING to a SPIRITUAL BEING, they will be, BORN AGAIN. Not of a physical state but of a spiritual nature.

Those individuals whom have died and have God’s Holy Spirit will be resurrected at the time of Jesus Christ return and they to will meet Him in the air and will be born of a SPIRITUAL nature with a new body at the same time of those who are alive.

Many have misunderstood the born again process. Hopefully this will help you to understand what it is all about. So may we all learn and grow in the womb of God, the Church and get ready for our birth in JESUS CHRIST as a new creature.

 

[enoob57]

Have you had someone ask if you were “Born Again”? This seems to be a standard question from one who considers themself to be Christian. The answer to that question should be “no” I am not born again, but I am in the process of being born again at a future time. Let me explain. Before an individual can begin to understand Gods truth and what He stands for, he or she must first know about Him and His Son, Jesus Christ. When I say one must hear about Jesus Christ, they must understand what He is all about and that He was the first to be born again. He is the first of the “First Fruits”. All who are alive now are still physical mortal beings, flesh and blood, still capable of dying of a physical death. Before the born again process can take place one must accept Jesus Christ as their redeemer, their personal Savior.

Once this has been accomplished and one accepts Jesus as their Redeemer, they are then a potential “Son of God”. While this is being accomplished an individual then begins to understand, they begin to comprehend in their mind what God is all about. While this is occurring one is in the process of having a new birth in the future, being born again, not yet fully born in a Spiritual form for they are still physical in nature. This is only the preparation stage of being born in the Spirit or being born again. When God is calling an individual they are in the process of being convicted by the Spirit of God. Then the Holy Spirit will begin working in the mind and is the first step in becoming born again in a future time when they will become Spirit beings. The complete birth process or being “born again” won’t occur until our Lord and Savior returns. Then and only then are we changed to spirit, being born again of a Spirit Essence. Being human and of the flesh you are then a potential son of God, not yet born in the God family until He returns. You are still human in nature, not spirit.

Notice in 1st Corinthians ch 15: verse 23; “but every man in his own order, (everyone that has been called by God and who has become His potential son, will become God’s Son in the order and the time God chooses for them) Christ the first fruits: (Jesus Christ was the first one “Born Again of the Spirit” And this occurred at the resurrection. He was the first of the First Fruits.) Only the one’s who belong to Jesus Christ will be born again at His Coming and not before. That includes those who are in the grave.

As stated before, before an individual can become a Christian they must first hear and understand why our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ died for us. As an individual continues to study and hear more about the Gospel (good news) of God, then they are in the process of being called or converted by God. After one has made A decision to confess Christ with their own mouth and then be baptized, then and only then are they on their way of being born as a Spirit being in the future. But until that time, that individual is still a physical being. Not yet spirit. Not yet born again, but only a potential son of God in the physical, only becoming a Spirit Son of God when Jesus Christ returns.

“THE PHYSICAL & SPIRITUAL STRUCTURE”

(Please read 1 Corinthians Ch 15:)

When God created man and woman, He had a plan already in place for them. That plan included a Family structure, both physical and Spiritual. Scripture tells us that Adam knew Eve and Eve bore Children. God made it possible for when man and woman have a relationship that the man will impregnate a woman with his seed. As this occurs and if all is as it should be inside the womb, a human being will be conceived inside the womb and that being will start to grow. The being inside the womb must be nourished and fed by the mother by what she eats and is then given to the baby being formed in the womb, in turn the baby will grow for nine months and then he or she will be born to a physical life.

For an individual to be born is not an instant process. The mother for the next nine months has to make sure that the right nourishment is given to this child through the life support in which she provides through her own body. After a time process of nine months the child will then be born and it will be born in a physical state. All the time this child is being protected inside the womb of its mother.

Now, let us look at a Christian’s life and how it to is developed. When a person begins to hear the Word of God and to hear about God’s Son, Jesus Christ, that individual is in the process of having a spiritual relationship, just as a physical man and woman have a physical relationship. As an individual listens and begins to learn from God’s word, he or she is in the process of the future birth with God’s Holy Spirit. Now when one is baptized, they at that time are impregnated with God’s Holy Spirit and, just as a baby in it mothers womb, they to have to go through a time process in the spiritual womb of God. They have to, just as the baby in the womb, are be nourished with the right food (spiritual in nature). So as a baby in the physical womb has a time to be born, so does a Christian in the spiritual womb have a time process before they are “BORN AGAIN”. That born again birth will not occur until Jesus Christ returns and all who are alive and are in the embryo stage will at that time be changed from a PHYSICAL BEING to a SPIRITUAL BEING, they will be, BORN AGAIN. Not of a physical state but of a spiritual nature.

Those individuals whom have died and have God’s Holy Spirit will be resurrected at the time of Jesus Christ return and they to will meet Him in the air and will be born of a SPIRITUAL nature with a new body at the same time of those who are alive.

Many have misunderstood the born again process. Hopefully this will help you to understand what it is all about. So may we all learn and grow in the womb of God, the Church and get ready for our birth in JESUS CHRIST as a new creature.

 

 This above is not Scriptural!

God's salvation is non contingent upon man's effort-  Tit 3:5-7, 1Tim 1:9-10, Isa 45:21-25

It is instantaneous upon belief- Lk 23:40-43, 2Cor 1:21-22, Eph 4:30-32

 

In Jn 3 Nicodemus made the same error- tried to tie physical understanding to Spiritual truth

as you are doing!  Spiritual rebirth is instantaneous upon a belief resulting in repentance as

damned sinners needing His Life of Righteousness over our own... for He did not make sin clean but

regenerated us (new birth) to take captive the flesh in obedience to His Word to His Glory and

Honor!  As in reason agree with the reality that the wants of this world our not the wants of Our World...

For the wants of Our World 'IS' perfect obedience to Him but here in this body of sin we will remain

broken and contrite of heart for we fail in this Deserve of our Lord for His purchase price of us!

  Love, Steven

[NeedYouLord]

I heard it said this simple way: When I am born again, it just means that now God is my Father...and my spirit is now of Him...Amazing How That Works...Way to simple...