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[NeedYouLord]

I totally forgot something again...of course...Hahaha

Now I'm not as much the "worrier" as I am the "warrior" In Prayer...Amazing huh...God can take something so destructive and change it around...The things now I see...that I used to could "worry" about...Now In The Spirit, I Pray...and the Prayer Warrior...comes out in me...Wow...

Even when I very first saw the pictures of the men that are accused of Bombing The Marathon...I started praying...just as I did for the perpetrator that held my husband at gunpoint...that they would be brought to justice...caught...so perhaps they could change...They could meet their Creator...They could know Him and be saved...

Sometimes it doesn't work out the way I want it to...Choices are made...and have to be lived with...

Thank you again, Jake...Wow...I love it when you do this...Love again In Him, Kathy

[Fez]

A thought just struck me. Take the example of Saul and David.

Saul worried about David, David worried about God. And we all know how that ended....

I think there might be a preach on worry in that story somewhere. Even when David was told by God that he was not going to build the temple, his son was, David did not worry, he accepted and went one step further. He started to store up the stuff that Solomon would need to build the temple.

[Jayyycuuup]

Anxiety does not empty tomorrow of its sorrows, but only empties today of its strength.

– C.H. Spurgeon –

So what does it mean to worry and to be anxious? Why are these things so detrimental to our faith and strength?

Below are just a few scriptures to begin the discussion and I would love for more to be brought in to be discussed. .

But for starters, what do you think these scriptures mean and what do you get out of them?

Mathew 6:34

³⁴ "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Psalm 55:22

²² "Cast thy burden upon the Lord, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved."

Psalm 46:1

"God is our refuge and strength, a ever present help in trouble."

Psalm 121:1-2 "

I lift up my eyes to the hills, where does my help come from? My help comes from the LORD, the Maker of heaven and earth."

Proverbs 12:25 "

An anxious heart weighs a man down, but a kind word cheers him up."

So what do you think worrying does to an individual and what do you think should be done to "stop" worrying- or can it even be done away with?

God bless you and I look forward to some good discussion!

Wow...What a great topic for me because I was nicknamed the "worrier" all my life...as a child, my daddy nicknamed me that...I remember the pure fear, worry, anxiety feeling when my daddy didn't live with us anymore...and even at 11 years old-it was my fault...and I continued to "blame" and "take the blame" for everything...worry to me is not knowing the future...and that some "need" I have will not be fulfilled or satisfied...and hopelessly helpless to do anything about it...or so it seems...Before I met The One Who Saved me...

I totally agree that when my Trust Is Totally In God...I have no worries...I can trust that He is my Help In Time of Trouble...so we watch out and when finding ourselves falling into the trap of worry-or find ourselves already there...We capture that thought...as quickly as possible...sometimes I have to waller around in it longer than I would like to...I ask forgiveness when that happens...

It is very hard to live double-minded (worry and faith)...I've run from a hurricane before and worried, worried, worried that my house would be gone...even though we had insurance...what's up with that? Hahaha...We are spirit in a flesh body-and have a mind that still needs constant renewal...the renewal isn't one time and done...it's constant for the rest of my life...until God takes me to that place-across the Jordan-is what I call it...He takes us from faith to faith...He can take us to new places...doing a new thing...(Even as we still live upon the earth) Whew...Oh Yes He Can...and it will be like...Wow...I don't do that anymore...

Now...Just a thought on Matthew 6:34...I've had the opportunity to hear so many sermons on different topics...but of course I didn't write them all down and have them organized...wish I had of now...but one that still is in me to this day is the one where...there is no time in eternity...we are in time...God made for us the exact amount we need to sleep, work and play...or as I like to say: pray...Hahaha...anyway...we are in a constant-NOW-...that is what is so cool...in five minutes from now...It will be NOW...so in talking about tomorrow will take care of itself...I just think of it like this...When tomorrow gets here it will be NOW and every time...every single time...I don't have to worry right NOW...because nothing is going on...Hahaha...It's true...I've made myself sick physically over it all...and I'm sorry God...I'm so sorry...because I didn't have faith in You...and You are so faithful...

Psalm 55:22...Cast (7993-Strong's Concordance-Hebrew) to throw out, down or away...and Strong's says that in Psalm 55:22 it is used figuratively...should look that up I guess...oh not literal...but yet to me...I have to literally-capture that thought of worry...recognize it as such, first...and get rid of it...giving it To The One Who Can Save Me From It...Jesus is His Name...He Can Handle it...I can't...

Psalm 46:1...I can literally take myself into Him and hide...and after spending time with Him in Prayer...I feel refreshed, renewed and strong...This life on earth is very taxing...our nature's are very taxing...Hahaha...but I can regain strenght with a Close Personal Relationship...with My Savior, Lord and King...Jesus...Who Is Everything To me...and In Whom Everything Is...

That's all I have...I don't recommend worry...at all period...It's very yukky...I agree though...God can take anything and turn it around for our good...Now we can testify and Bring Glory to Our God...My my...Love to you In Him, Kathy

Amen Kathy!

Psalm 46:1 “God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.” What a great testament that is- to surely live for the arms and in the arms of God! (As you mention in your post)

It is interesting that you bring up being "double minded" I had not even considered that variable and it surely plays a huge role in this. Seemingly- worry has a lot of effects such as ninhoa explained- physically (stress) and spiritually (worry and in a sense distrust) We are told not to be double minded (James 1:8)- but if this is something we all struggle with day to day, how do we achieve deliverance? We know that Jesus is our provider, our deliverer etc. but how do we set out mind on things that are above instead of the material things? How do you find peace in this "battle" over your mind? (A few thinking Questions)

You then explain you had self condemnation with "worry" until you were inline with Jesus. . .do you mind explaining this a bit? As others have said, worry is a widely beheld matter and I only ask of this in the hopes of giving others deliverance and hope through your testament that was made possible by the power and mercy of God.

Thank you for your thoughts about Mathew, that is a great perspective!

As for Psalms 55:22 I think you have the right Idea!

I believe it is used figuratively because you do not literally "cast" your burdens upon the Lord. For instance ; "If someone were to "cast" doubt on something" it simply means that they find it fallible.

I think the same is being applied to Psalm 55:22, to "cast" our burdens on the Lord for He is infallible and sustains us in all things.

I have done a study on the other words as well (In Psalms 55:22) and would encourage you to do the same- you uncover some VERY interesting things. . .I would be interested in what you find and what your thoughts are

Thank you for your response and making us think Kathy!

God bless you!

Love to you in HIm,

Your brother, Jake

[Jayyycuuup]

Interesting Nin!

What do you think worrying does spiritually? If anything?

Jacob I believe worry ( excessive ) takes our focus of Jesus and places it upon worldly matters ( excessively ). This is spiritually draining and places us in danger.

Mat_13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Mat 24:38-39 KJV For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, (39) And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Eph_6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I am enjoying reading all of your subject synopses btw keep them coming.

I agree Nin!

Thank you for your encouragement!

I do question though, (A thinking question) at what point does worrying become "excessive?"

[Jayyycuuup]

A thought just struck me. Take the example of Saul and David.

Saul worried about David, David worried about God. And we all know how that ended....

I think there might be a preach on worry in that story somewhere. Even when David was told by God that he was not going to build the temple, his son was, David did not worry, he accepted and went one step further. He started to store up the stuff that Solomon would need to build the temple.

Amen Fez!

That hadn't even came to mind- but that is a perfect example!

Taking something so "destructive" and countering it with a good work that pleases God! Amen!

[Guest ninhao]

I agree Nin!

Thank you for your encouragement!

I do question though, (A thinking question) at what point does worrying become "excessive?"

Thank you for engaging my mind Jacob it is encouraging for me.

Mat 6:34 KJV Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Jesus suggested concentrating on the cares of the present day and I assume this means being cognizant that immediate cares are important but we should be confident our Father will surely provide for our lifetime needs. Worry becomes excessive when we have doubt God will provide imo.

[Jayyycuuup]

I agree Nin!

Thank you for your encouragement!

I do question though, (A thinking question) at what point does worrying become "excessive?"

Thank you for engaging my mind Jacob it is encouraging for me.

Mat 6:34 KJV Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Jesus suggested concentrating on the cares of the present day and I assume this means being cognizant that immediate cares are important but we should be confident our Father will surely provide for our lifetime needs. Worry becomes excessive when we have doubt God will provide imo.

Ninhoa,

Right. . .So can we excessively worry for just but a day?

I like where your going with this and I agree fully. . . .

As for the scripture in and of itself, what do you make of the last part: "sufficient for the day is the evil thereof?"

What sort of "evil" is this speaking of? And, in what manner is the day sufficient?

God bless you brother!

[Guest ninhao]

Ninhoa,

Right. . .So can we excessively worry for just but a day?

I like where your going with this and I agree fully. . . .

As for the scripture in and of itself, what do you make of the last part: "sufficient for the day is the evil thereof?"

What sort of "evil" is this speaking of? And, in what manner is the day sufficient?

God bless you brother!

I believe the evil spoken of is whatever current problem we may have and the current time is sufficient to deal with it. We have no need to think our problems ( "evils" ) will continue and no need to think we will have future problems because God has our back ( so to speak )

1Corinthians supports this.

1Co_10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Also we can see how Jesus was disappointed when the disciples worried.

Mat 8:26 KJV And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Mat 16:8 KJV Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?

Worrying excessively about anything is compared to having little faith.

I didn't answer your question yet. Yes it appears we can worry excessively even for a day as you say.

[NeedYouLord]

Amen Kathy!

Psalm 46:1 “God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.” What a great testament that is- to surely live for the arms and in the arms of God! (As you mention in your post)

It is interesting that you bring up being "double minded" I had not even considered that variable and it surely plays a huge role in this. Seemingly- worry has a lot of effects such as ninhoa explained- physically (stress) and spiritually (worry and in a sense distrust) We are told not to be double minded (James 1:8)- but if this is something we all struggle with day to day, how do we achieve deliverance? We know that Jesus is our provider, our deliverer etc. but how do we set out mind on things that are above instead of the material things? How do you find peace in this "battle" over your mind? (A few thinking Questions)

How do we achieve deliverance? In the very beginnings of my walk, I was priviledged to attend a gathering of people where some had had a spiritual experience...And the ones that had not had a spiritual experience "yet"...walked only in the Hope that they would indeed one day...have a spiritual experience and be free...That Truth would make them free...They explained all the things that had happened to them...sometimes horrible things had happened to them...but then some explained how they had been set free...by having this spiritual experience...They considered themselves as all having the same dilemma and hence needing to be saved from this dilemma...sort of like "we are all in the same boat" and "the solution is the same for all of us"...I didn't want to admit in the very beginning that I needed to be free...that I needed help because I couldn't do it on my own...and was in big time denial and fear and anger about it all...that I was blind and couldn't see...For me...I had to have this born again experience...It was the Only Thing In My Mind That Could Possibly Help me...eventually I was hopeless and I had to have this experience...All I can say is: That Is The Truth: That I Had To Experience Being Born Again...Being Changed...That I indeed had come to the end of myself and that The Power of God Would Be Needed To Save me, Change me and Make me Free...We cannot do anything on our own...not even get rid of the sin that besets us...He does it...the problem is: we have to want to be free...we have to have our eyes opened so that The Truth Can Make us Free...We have to humble ourselves and ask!!!

First and foremost, the way I have achieved sustained deliverance was not giving up...And Having A Powerful Spiritual Experience with God...On more than one occasion...Not giving up on The Hope that I knew others had found and that I would too, eventually...if I didn't give up (see my signature for the verses that I have literally hung onto- for dear life- at different times). Now I know that it is explained in parables Jesus taught...In the super beginning...I couldn't give up things that I was doing that was not good for my body for more than 1 day and a half...couldn't last even 2 days!!! I had not taken enough of The Word into myself when the time came to have the strength to not fall into temptation...that The Word was not being planted into fertile fallow ground...and the seed (The Word) got eaten by the birds (because the "ground" of my heart was still hardened...or the seed (The Word) blew away in the wind...that's exactly what happened to me...my heart was hard and The Word just blew away...and I would continue doing the things that weren't good for me...learning all the time that I couldn't do anything on my own without God's Help...Everything being worked together for good...(even though it didn't look like it at the time)...

You then explain you had self condemnation with "worry" until you were inline with Jesus. . .do you mind explaining this a bit? As others have said, worry is a widely beheld matter and I only ask of this in the hopes of giving others deliverance and hope through your testament that was made possible by the power and mercy of God.

All I can say...The only thing coming to me right now is this: Without Depending and Trusting In God...I am trying to be my own god...and will naturally walk in sin and self...and for me...I know where that goes...death and destruction...somewhere I almost went...and don't want to ever go again...Whew...Thank You Jesus!!! For Loving, Saving, Healing, Delivering oh my...Oh Yes You Did!!! OK...Quite often I break out in a Praise Break...Wow...Hahaha...Oh God You Are So Good and Your Mercy Endures Forever!!!

Thank you for your thoughts about Mathew, that is a great perspective!

As for Psalms 55:22 I think you have the right Idea!

I believe it is used figuratively because you do not literally "cast" your burdens upon the Lord. For instance ; "If someone were to "cast" doubt on something" it simply means that they find it fallible.

I think the same is being applied to Psalm 55:22, to "cast" our burdens on the Lord for He is infallible and sustains us in all things.

I have done a study on the other words as well (In Psalms 55:22) and would encourage you to do the same- you uncover some VERY interesting things. . .I would be interested in what you find and what your thoughts are

May have to wait on this one a very long time...I love to do detailed studies like that...and you are right...What we thought we knew...Hahaha...and then look up the real meanings...I'm amazed every time...It just takes me such a very long time because my Bible references every scripture to do with every other scripture and I always take a trip through The Bible every time...but don't forget, to me, I literally do "cast" what I can't handle onto Him, The One that can handle it...His Name is Jesus and He Is My Savior, Lord and King...Whew...Do you kinow Him? Hahaha

Thank you for your response and making us think Kathy!

God bless you!

Love to you in HIm,

Your brother, Jake

[Jayyycuuup]

Ninhoa,

Right. . .So can we excessively worry for just but a day?

I like where your going with this and I agree fully. . . .

As for the scripture in and of itself, what do you make of the last part: "sufficient for the day is the evil thereof?"

What sort of "evil" is this speaking of? And, in what manner is the day sufficient?

God bless you brother!

I believe the evil spoken of is whatever current problem we may have and the current time is sufficient to deal with it. We have no need to think our problems ( "evils" ) will continue and no need to think we will have future problems because God has our back ( so to speak )

1Corinthians supports this.

1Co_10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Also we can see how Jesus was disappointed when the disciples worried.

Mat 8:26 KJV And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Mat 16:8 KJV Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?

Worrying excessively about anything is compared to having little faith.

I didn't answer your question yet. Yes it appears we can worry excessively even for a day as you say.

You don't think you answered my question yet?

I think you did! lol and I must add a great answer