F-4 Phantom Vaporized by Concrete Block

[The_Patriot21]

other, I have already shown you, from Boeings own records, that that plane, was every bit capable of pulling off that maneuver. I have also shown you, that the pilot was capable of doing it. I also showed you eye witness reports and video footage. The plane did, 100% hit that pentagon, beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt.

The boeing 757 cruises at 530 mph. Cruises. thats not its max speed cruises. That plane hit the pentagon at cruise speed. Its max speed according to boeing is around 560, and keep in mind thats max safe speed-what it can actually do and still maneuver, is likely over 600, at least for short amounts of time, with a good pilot, which it had. And cobalts right-if the plane can do 530 mph at 10,000 feet it can do 530 mph at 100. It makes no difference, a good pilot can handle that plane easily. To say that that aircraft, couldn't have physically pulled that manuever, shows either an extreme lack of understanding about the aircraft and how flight works, or a intentional willingness to ignore the facts-the fact is the plane is 100% capable of pulling that maneuver off, and the pilot was 100% capable of doing it. Furthermore, the facts say, the facts say, that the plane did hit the pentagon-beyond any reasonable doubt. So, the question of whether a plane could have gone through that much reinforced concrete is answered-obviously it can, because it did.

If theres a conspiracy behind the pentagon crash, it involved why the pilot crashed that plane into the pentagon-not whether or not a plane crashed into the pentagon or not. C/Ts are just wasting their time and making themselves look foolish by arguing there was no plane-because the facts, speak otherwise. Anyone, planning a conspiracy of that magnitude, is not going to fake a plane crash when they can actually crash the plane. They will however make people think the crash was fake so no one listens to them about the reason the plane was crashed in the first place. Telling everyone that 9/11 was a conspiracy, and your biggest evidence is false-then no ones going to listen to the rest of your evidence because you just lost all your credibility.

In case you dont remember, aircraft specs are here. Keep in mind it is physically impossible for your cruise speed to be faster then your vmax, and these specs are all at sea level.

http://www.airplanes...eld=reisegeschw

[other one]

Pat, I've talked with dozens of pilots, both civilian and military and they tell me that none of them could do what supposedly happened to the Pentagon...... you guys can say what you want, but when i used my position at my work to talk to people who know, they "ALL" tell me that no one who had trouble landing a Cessina 150 flew that plane into that building at any speed, much less 500mph.

Most of them questioned being able to hit the twin towers without some kind of outside help......

But like I've said over and over and over, what matters is what our government did afterward, not who did what...... I didn't bring the subjest up...... just commented on it.

Our government has lied to us about every war we've entered since the Civil war.......... why in the world would we believe what they say about this.

[The_Patriot21]

other-like I said the facts speak for themselves. I garentee you either havent spoken to any real pilots-or they dont know the facts. I say this, because not only have I looked at the facts, from boeing, from actual pilots, but also because in high school I wanted to be a pilot-I even started on my pilots license, spent a lot of time around planes. Your "pilot" friends either don't know what theyre talking about or are willfully ignorant, and the facts prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Theres not even an inkling of a chance that they could even feasibly be right.

Ive shown you the actual tech specs of the plane, actual specs, from boeing, that say that plane could indeed pull off that maneuver. Actual, verifiable, specs. Ive given you lots of eye witness accounts of people who actually saw it. Ive given you video footage. yet, Im somehow supposed to take your word on this, because "you have friends" that say that its not possible. Im sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but your "friends" arnt a verifiable source. Theyre also wrong. They don't qualify as evidence for your case, because you can't verify them, or their expertise, online. If you want to make an argument towards something-especially online-you need to use verifiable evidence, if you can't verify it, then don't use it.

The thing is, you think the government lies to us-which is true, but you also see a conspiracy under every rock, which is untrue. Your last sentence is evidence of that-next thing we know you will be telling us that the government lied to us about pearl harbor, that the japanese really didn't attack. . .

[other one]

and I went through flight training in College and have many hours in a Cessina 150/172..... Before I went to xerox, I worked at North American Rockwell building turbojets........ I've spent over 35 years working for Xerox in and around both military pilots in three bases here and the FAA flight center at Will Rogers World Airport and a couple of friends who own planes.

And I firmly disagree with you and so do those I've discussed it with.

[~candice~]

This isn't the conspiracy forum. You can restart this thread there without the video if you think it will edify.