JohnR7 Posted September 8, 2022 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,907 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1952 Share Posted September 8, 2022 On 5/15/2013 at 5:29 PM, paulajeanne said: I need a way I can simplify this to others lol Paul tells us: "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" 2 Corinthians 5/8) This is the rapture where we leave our Body behind. The resurrection is where our Body will be raised from the dead and reunited with our Soul and Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christine Posted March 31, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,058 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 1,031 Days Won: 5 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 31, 2023 On 9/8/2022 at 9:17 PM, JohnR7 said: Paul tells us: "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" 2 Corinthians 5/8) This is the rapture where we leave our Body behind. The resurrection is where our Body will be raised from the dead and reunited with our Soul and Spirit. 'We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.' (2 Cor. 5:8) Hello @JohnR7, With respect, the words you have placed between quotation marks is not an accurate quotation of 2 Corinthians 5:8 (above). Also that verse has a context which should be read with it, from 2 Corinthians 5:1 onwards. I would urge you to consider your words in the light of what Scripture actually says concerning both the state of the dead, and the resurrection. Within the love of Christ our risen and glorified, Saviour, Lord and Head. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnR7 Posted May 18, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 49 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,907 Content Per Day: 1.29 Reputation: 614 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/03/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/06/1952 Share Posted May 18, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 7:47 AM, Christine said: I would urge you to consider your words There are two words: rapture and resurrection. They are not the same word. You can define them anyway you want. I made no attempt to explain what rapture or resurrection means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philologos Posted June 21, 2023 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/09/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted June 21, 2023 On 5/15/2013 at 10:06 AM, paulajeanne said: Some say we will not go to heaven untill Jesus comes...."the dead will rise first".... So many times in the Bible it says that We will reunite in Heaven when He comes. It's not clear to me ... Are the dead in Heaven? I always believed my loved ones died and went right up to see our Lord and that there looking down on us... Then one day I heard a preacher say that's not so. We are in the grave untill Heaven is ready and the 2nd comming of Christ..... Now I'm confused.. Help... The confusion is in how we define ‘heaven.’ Paradise is not “heaven,” per se. It is in the spiritual realm and is where Jesus said he would be. Some argue that Jesus is in Heaven, on his throne. Well, yeah, but he’s not confined to just sitting on a throne for a couple thousand years- he has things to do, like visit his royal subjects in paradise. People don’t go to God’s heavenly throne when they die, but they do go to paradise, which is often referred to as “heaven” by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim_from_pa Posted June 21, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 447 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 301 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/13/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 21, 2023 On 5/15/2013 at 10:06 AM, paulajeanne said: Some say we will not go to heaven untill Jesus comes...."the dead will rise first".... So many times in the Bible it says that We will reunite in Heaven when He comes. It's not clear to me ... Are the dead in Heaven? I always believed my loved ones died and went right up to see our Lord and that there looking down on us... Then one day I heard a preacher say that's not so. We are in the grave untill Heaven is ready and the 2nd comming of Christ..... Now I'm confused.. Help... I tell you what I believe based on the Bible. We sleep until the resurrection. However, keep in mind that as the Bible says there is no knowledge in death. No sense of time, so the next conscious moment will "instantly" be the resurrection as if we went into the future with a time machine. I always jest the person who died will instantly be with some of those who were alive and say, "I just died and you are all here with me already?" So the dead do not miss us. We miss them for a season. Now there are some who will then ask questions like where did Moses go after he died? How about the Transfiguration? Here's the Clues: Visions, portal, future, past "time machine". Time as we know it is very different "over there". So yes, loved ones can be "looking down" at us through time, but we are also there with them, so in a sense the Lord may not only be looking down, but perhaps even discussing with us how things in the past were to turn out. They are there now, not not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alive Posted June 21, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 22 Topic Count: 194 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 11,053 Content Per Day: 6.55 Reputation: 9,015 Days Won: 36 Joined: 09/12/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1956 Share Posted June 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, tim_from_pa said: I tell you what I believe based on the Bible. We sleep until the resurrection. However, keep in mind that as the Bible says there is no knowledge in death. No sense of time, so the next conscious moment will "instantly" be the resurrection as if we went into the future with a time machine. I always jest the person who died will instantly be with some of those who were alive and say, "I just died and you are all here with me already?" So the dead do not miss us. We miss them for a season. Now there are some who will then ask questions like where did Moses go after he died? How about the Transfiguration? Here's the Clues: Visions, portal, future, past "time machine". Time as we know it is very different "over there". So yes, loved ones can be "looking down" at us through time, but we are also there with them, so in a sense the Lord may not only be looking down, but perhaps even discussing with us how things in the past were to turn out. They are there now, not not yet. Other than the time specualtion thing at the end, this is what I see scripture teaching. We sleep in sheol and the dead know nothing. The mystery is contained in that bit where, we that are in Christ, have had our Life hidden with Christ in God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 21, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,163 Content Per Day: 7.98 Reputation: 21,444 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 21, 2023 2 Corinthians 5:6 (KJV) [6] Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: [7] (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) [8] We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. It is clear the moment of death we will be present with The Lord Philippians 1:23 (KJV) [23] For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Paul certainly believed the immediacy of this event... We should never ignore the clear teaching of Scripture and are warned by God about doing so 2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV) [5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; It is also a basic understanding in hermeneutics 'when the plain sense make sense seek no other sense' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladypeartree Posted June 21, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 37 Topic Count: 539 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 32,749 Content Per Day: 5.02 Reputation: 23,407 Days Won: 221 Joined: 06/21/2006 Status: Online Birthday: 02/23/1953 Share Posted June 21, 2023 WOW this argument has been ongoing for 10 years the original poster left that long ago too, God knows I dont need to know what He has planned if I sleep and wake in His presence that is fine .If I die and go instantly into His presence that is also fine Unlike Hamlet I dont worry about sleeping perhaps to dream I just trust my Lord to do what is right for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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