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It was at conception. You see people come to the text already having an idea of what soul means and they use this idea to interpret the Bible. However, the real question is, how does the Bible use the term? If we study the terms through the whole Bible we find the definition I gave in the first post

Sleep is a metaphor for death. Those in Daniel 12 are dead. If we would expect anyone to have an immortal soul, it would be Jesus, correct? Isaiah 53:12 (KJV 1900): Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, And he shall divide the spoil with the strong; Because he hath poured out his soul unto death: And he was numbered with the transgressors; And he bare the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah prophesied that Christ would pour out His soul to death. If Jesus' soul could die then so can everyone else's. We're also told that the Father alone has immortality. 1 Timothy 6:13–16 (KJV 1900): I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. Paul told Timothy that when Jesus returns He will show the only one who has immortality, the one no man can see nor has seen. That's the Father. No one else has immortality.

That's not accurate. A soul, according to Scripture is a living being. A soul can si. And a soul can die. The Spirit that is in man is not man, it is something of God Himself. It is the breath or spirit of life.

No, there aren't any verses. The idea that there is one God in three persons is a doctrine from the Fifth century. It's not what the Bible teaches. Paul stated plainly to the Corinthians, 'to us there is one God, the Father'. 5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (1 Cor. 8:5-6 NAS)

The Bible is clear that the dead are dead. They are in the grave. The problem is that Greek philosophical ideas have entered into the faith and many Christians have accepted these ideas. It was the Greeks, in Jesus day, that taught that man was an immortal spirit and/or soul that lived forever and would ascend into the heavens after leaving the body. This idea is foreign to the Scriptures. So, to answer your question about Daniel 12:2, yes they are dead. They will rise at the resurrection.

I would have to disagree John. Gen 2:7 shows us that the combination of the body and breath "became" a living soul. The soul is not a third element, it's a combination of the two elements. I also have to disagree with the idea of eternal torment of men. That's not taught in Scripture. The "spirit" in man is something out of God Himself, that's why Jesus doesn't mention it in Matthew 10:28. God's spirit or breath is what gives man life. God isn't going to destroy His own spirit or breath. Also, there is no place in the Scriptures called hell. That is an English word that carries a lot of baggage. The Scriptures speak of Sheol or Hades, Gehenna, and Tartarus.

I agree!

I agree with your statement wholeheartedly, However, I disagree with Strong's definition of Psuche. It doesn't mean spirit.

I would disagree that the Bible treats man as tripartite. I submit it treats him as a physical being as stated in the OP. It's man's dualistic ideas that interpret the Bible as having man being tripartite.

The story of Lazarus and the Rich Man is a parable about the destruction of the priesthood. Jesus is telling the Pharisees that the priesthood is going away. It's not about what happens to people when they die. When a man dies he is dead. He remains dead until the Resurrection and then he will be judged.

You said we have to rightly divide Paul. This passage in Ephesians is speaking of the Jews, not Christians. It was the Jews who were chosen. Also as I pointed out it's not heavenly places. The word places isn't in the Greek text. It's heavenlies, It's the word heaven in the plural and it's adjective in the neuter gender. That means it's talking about heavenly things. This passage is not saying anyone is in Heaven or going to Heaven. Jesus told the Jews and His apostles that were He was going they could not go.

Heavenly is an adjective. It's simply a description of the Kingdom, not its location. You're taking an adjective and using it as a location to say the Kingdom is in Heaven. That's not correct. That would be like saying the red book is located in red as if red was a location. Red is an adjective like Heavenly. They are descriptive of the nouns they're modifying. Also, you said we need to rightly divide Paul. Ephesians 1:6 is speaking of Isarael, not Christians. It's also not speaking of Heavenly places, it's Heavenly things. There is nothing in the Bible that teaches Christians go to Heaven. It's just not there. Who is going to be in this kingdom in Heaven? Revelation says that the holy city descends and God will reign with men. So God will be on the Earth.

Nowhere does Paul say anyone's going to Heaven either? I've already shown where Paul said that the Gentiles would inherit the land promised to Abraham. That land is on Earth, not Heaven

What do you see here that would lead you to believe there are two kingdoms

That doesn't explain your two kingdoms.