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  1. You're opinion on God doesn't change what the Scriptires say. If there's a difference you should consider changing your opinion, not the Scriptures. Paul said that Jesus will reign till all enemies are put under His feet. Then He will give the kingdom over to the Father and will Himslef be subject to the Father. Jesus doesn't reign forever. Jesus doesn't turn the Kingdom over to Himself. He turns it over to the Father. I believe you're mistaken about the discussion. I didnt say anything about Dispensationalism
  2. Oneness isn't a Binlical doctrine. Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not Jesus. Paul plainly tells us that Jesus shall reign till all enemies are put under Him. Then He will turn the Kingdom over to the Father. And, Jesus will be subject to the Father. Word games aren't going to change that. Jesus doesnt reign forever, the Father does.
  3. I don't think it's me that needs the refresher. Note what I said, "I don't see the Father reigning on the throne". Jesus doesn't reign forever, The Father does. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet1." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor. 15:24-28 NKJ) Paul clearly states that Christ will reign until all enemies are put under His feet. Then He, Christ, will turn over the Kingdom to the Father and Christ Himself will be subject unto the Father. The Father will reign forever. I don't see the earthly Kingdom and I don't see the Father reigning on earth. So, that's why I believe the tribulation in Mathew 24 is future.
  4. Well, I'm not one of them. To answer your question. I don't see Jesus anywhere. I don't see the Father reigning on the throne. We find in Jeremiah that in the kingdom there will be no more tears in Israel. I don't see peace in Israel. They're constantly under attach. All of these things are indicators of the Kingdom.
  5. I think it's a bit more. According to Gen 2:7 the soul is the combination of the body and the breath or spirit of God. The two together form the soul.
  6. "The blessing of Abraham" is the inheritance of the land. That's made plain in Genesis 28 Then Isaac called Jacob and blessed him, and charged him, and said to him: "You shall not take a wife from the daughters of Canaan. 2 "Arise, go to Padan Aram, to the house of Bethuel your mother's father; and take yourself a wife from there of the daughters of Laban your mother's brother. 3 "May God Almighty bless you, And make you fruitful and multiply you, That you may be an assembly of peoples; 4 And give you the blessing of Abraham, To you and your descendants with you, That you may inherit the land In which you are a stranger, Which God gave to Abraham." (Gen. 28:1-4 NKJ) Paul said that this blessing comes on the Gentiles through faith. I don't know how it could be any clearer. The inheritance in the Scriptures is the land. Ephesians 1:3 is speaking of the Jews, not Christians. Paul makes a distinction between the Jews and the Gentiles to show how God has worked. I can break that down for you if you'd like.
  7. I read what you posted. What else do you have? However, it's right there in Galatians that Christians inherit the land.
  8. It's the land that God had promised Abraham. The land was first promised to Abraham. The temporary inheritance in the land that the Jews had is not the promise that was given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Paul makes this argument in Galatians 3 17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. 18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. (Gal. 3:17-18 KJV)
  9. Actually, if you read the next verse Paul said that the promises belong to the fathers. They were to the fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The promise to Abraham was fourfold. God promised to, make him the father of a great nation, the father of many nations, that all nations would be blessed through him, and that he would receive all the land that he could see. The land was also Promised to Isaac and Jacob. This land promise is very much for the church aslo. God promised the land to Abraham himself, so the Jews going into the Promised Land is not the fulfillment of the promise. Abraham has not yet received that land that God promised him. 2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, 3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. 4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. 5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child. (Acts 7:2-5 KJV) Here Phillip tells us that even though God had promised the land to Abraham he had not received it in his lifetime. The only logical conclusion is that he will receive it in the resurrection. The land was also promised to Isaac, And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar. 2 And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: 3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; 4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. (Gen. 26:1-5 KJV) The land was also promised to Jacob, 12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. 13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; 14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.1 (Gen. 28:12-14 KJV) So, we have the land being promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and their seed. The Jews were the physical seed of Abraham. So, they believed that they were the heirs of this promised land. However, look at what Isaac said to Jacob. And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan. 2 Arise, go to Padanaram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother. 3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;1 4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham.1 (Gen. 28:1-4 KJV) From this passage we can see that "the blessing of Abraham" is the inheritance of the land that was promised to Abraham. This phrase "the blessing of Abraham" only appears twice in Scripture. It appears here in Genesis and it appears in Galatians 3 where Paul applies it to the Gentiles. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. (Gal. 3:8-9 KJV) Here Paul says that those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham. 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. (Gal. 3:14 KJV) Here, Paul says that "the blessing of Abraham" might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ. He goes on to explain. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Gal. 3:16 KJV) Here he says that when God made the promise to Abraham and his seed, He didn't mean it in the plural, as seeds, but rather in the singular, one seed. That seed is Christ. The land wasn't promised to the Jewish people. It was promised to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Christ. He goes on to explain that those who are in Christ are also considered the seed of Abraham according to the promise. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. (Gal. 3:22 KJV) Here we see the promise is for all who believe, through Christ. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:27-29 KJV) Paul says if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed and an heir according to the promise. So, the Church, the believers, are heirs of the land that was promised to Abraham. As Paul says in Romans, believers are co-heirs with Christ. The inheritance is the land that was promised to Abraham. If anyone wants a more detailed explanation with a lot more Scripture references I've written a paper that can be found on my website. The paper is called "The Kingdom of God-A Biblical Perspective"
  10. Thanks! Sure, I can expound on it. It's quite a bit to put on a forum but we can try. The gist of it is that the Kingdom of God, the hope of the Christian, is based in the promises that God made to Abraham. In Genesis God made a four fold promise to Abraham. He promised, 1. That He would make him the father of a great nation. 2. The father of many nations 3. That all nations would be blessed through him 4. That He would give him all the land he could see. We see all through the Scriptures mentions of the inheritance. The inheritance is the land that was promised to Abraham. That is the hope of the Christian. God made that promise to Abraham and his seed. He reiterated it to Isaac and Jacob. The Jews believed that they were heirs of the promise because they are the seed of Abraham. However, the apostle Paul points out that when God made the promise to Abraham and his seed, He meant seed in the singular, not seed as a collective group. He tells us in Galatians three that the Seed is Christ. Christ is the Seed to which the promise was made and Christians obtain that promise by being joined to Christ. Paul said to the Galatian, if you are in Christ you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise. He also wrote in Romans 8, 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Rom. 8:16-17 KJV) Again, the inheritance is the land that was promised to Abraham. However, the inheritance was expanded to include the world. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. (Rom. 4:13 KJV) So, the hope of the Christian is not to spend eternity in Heaven. It is to live in the Kingdom of God on earth. That's a quick summary of the paper.
  11. Here's a link to a paper I wrote on The Kingdom of God.
  12. Not sure how this affects what I said. Jesus stated in Mathew that He would return after the Tribulation. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matt. 24:29-30 KJV)
  13. Actually, the Bible doesn't teach that man is a tri-part being. It teaches that man is a physical being. Gen 2:7 gives a clear description of the creation of man. God created the man from the dust of the earth. Man consists of the elements of the earth. That's what man is. The passage goes on to say that God breathed His breath or spirit of life into the man and the man became a living soul. From this we can see that a living soul consists of the body of flesh, physical, and the breath or spirit of God.
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