WN: Israel has every right to defend itself against Iran - Jerusalem

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I would exercise Christian restraint, instead of behaving like a school-ground bully, threatening to bomb people for building nuclear reactors!

 

Who attacked whom -

 

The 6-Day War?

The Yom Kippur War?

 

Why do you believe that if Israel lay down their arms and surrendered more and that their Arab neighbors would leave them alone and let them live in peace? What is your evidence?

 

Have you not heard the leaders of Iran referring to Israel as 'the Little Satan"? (And you think that Israel is acting like the school-ground bully?)

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

The question brought up is whether Iran as a country would have a right to self defense against the incursion of a belligerent military force.

 

Under international law Iran does have that right; as do all sovereign nations.

 

As we are into international law, what exactly does this law say about threatening to "wipe a country of the face of the Earth"?!

 

It has absolutely nothing to say about silly and unachievable threats! And rightly not! Such threats belong in the school playground.

 

If Iran were to achieve its nuclear dreams, such threats would be reality.    No one took Hitler too seriously until it was too late   Liberal wimpls allowed Hitler to become the monster he became.  One thing history has taught us:   If a manical despot says he is going to kill you, believe him.   If we leave things to pacifiists and the liberal, do nothing wimps of the world, evil will conver the world. 

[Gandalf]

 

I would exercise Christian restraint, instead of behaving like a school-ground bully, threatening to bomb people for building nuclear reactors!

 

Who attacked whom -

 

The 6-Day War?

The Yom Kippur War?

 

Why do you believe that if Israel lay down their arms and surrendered more and that their Arab neighbors would leave them alone and let them live in peace? What is your evidence?

 

Have you not heard the leaders of Iran referring to Israel as 'the Little Satan"? (And you think that Israel is acting like the school-ground bully?)

 

Yes, obviously! Who actually has the nukes? Who has Iran's military attacked in the last 50 years?. Whose territory has Iran occupied and annexed in the last 50 years?

[Burning_Ember]

 

I would exercise Christian restraint, instead of behaving like a school-ground bully, threatening to bomb people for building nuclear reactors!

 

Who attacked whom -

 

The 6-Day War?

The Yom Kippur War?

 

Why do you believe that if Israel lay down their arms and surrendered more and that their Arab neighbors would leave them alone and let them live in peace? What is your evidence?

 

Have you not heard the leaders of Iran referring to Israel as 'the Little Satan"? (And you think that Israel is acting like the school-ground bully?)

 

The 6-Day war was started by Israel when they attacked The Sinai Peninsula.

 

A huge reason why I, and others are critical of Israel is because they do "act like the school ground bully" is they continually violate International Law, especially in regard to Palestine.

[nebula]

Yes, obviously! Who actually has the nukes? Who has Iran's military attacked in the last 50 years?. Whose territory has Iran occupied and annexed in the last 50 years?

 

 

 

I am seriously dumfounded that you do not believe the existence of Israel is under threat by these Arab nations.

 

Do you truly think that Iran, Syria, "Palestine", etc. will leave Israel alone if they give up their weapons and give up more land?

[nebula]

The 6-Day war was started by Israel when they attacked The Sinai Peninsula.

 

A huge reason why I, and others are critical of Israel is because they do "act like the school ground bully" is they continually violate International Law, especially in regard to Palestine.

 

 

Do you know why Israel struck first? Do you honestly believe they attacked out of the blue?

 

As for "Palestine", Israel gave up Gaza for these people. What did the people give them in return? (Hint: the very day they moved in the "Palestinians" launched missiles into Israel from Gaza.)

[Burning_Ember]

 

The 6-Day war was started by Israel when they attacked The Sinai Peninsula.

 

A huge reason why I, and others are critical of Israel is because they do "act like the school ground bully" is they continually violate International Law, especially in regard to Palestine.

 

 

Do you know why Israel struck first? Do you honestly believe they attacked out of the blue?

 

As for "Palestine", Israel gave up Gaza for these people. What did the people give them in return? (Hint: the very day they moved in the "Palestinians" launched missiles into Israel from Gaza.)

 

Among other many reasons, because Egypt moved two divisions into the Sinai Peninsula. Nasser thought that Israel was going to attack, having believed reports that Israel was massing it's troops to attack Syria, which were false. You might take note that two divisions wouldn't nearly be enough to attack Israel, and that the military plan used was a defensive one.

 

If Egypt was going to attack they would've put a lot more troops over there, and if Israel really thought that they would lose, they would not have attacked. They did not steamroll Egypt due to some "miracle", they won because Egypt was not ready for war, and Israel was.

 

Israel actually refused to give back the Sinai Peninsula, the primary objective of the Arab states was to change the status quo of negotiations as Israel refused to return The Sinai to Egypt, and The Golan heights to Syria. It took the 1978 Camp David Accords to give the Sinai back.

 

Now, this might just be me, but I don't think giving back something that you have stolen from someone else is "generous".  Gaza didn't belong to Israel in the first place. It was part of Egypt under the 1949 Armistice Agreement. Kind of like how the West Bank was part of Jordan under the same agreement. Until Israel invaded, and took that land.

[hupo]

The 6-Day war was started by Israel when they attacked The Sinai Peninsula.

 

A huge reason why I, and others are critical of Israel is because they do "act like the school ground bully" is they continually violate International Law, especially in regard to Palestine.

 

You seem to forget why the 6-day war was started

Remember the Tiran straights? Remember Abdul-Nasser's blockade of the red sea?

 

Taking things out of context seems to be the best policy for anyone who wants us out of here.

Well, I am sorry but we are staying

 

As for the Palestinians, they could have had a state ages ago, but no, they want everything or nothing.

"Everything" is not going to happen and so they are left with nothing.

We left Gaza and got thousands of rockets on our civilians.

We left Lebanon and got Hizbollah on our borders.

Should we leave the Golan heights now? Or maybe the west bank, that are a stone throw away from our main airport?

 

14th May 1948 we declared the state of Israel WITH THE BACKING of the UNITED NATIONS!

Next day we were attacked by Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq.

How do you fit that in the INTERNATIONAL LAW mentioned previously?

We won that war against all those odds and that makes us the bully in the playground, right?!

 

Tell me what YOU suggest, apart from us "going back to wherever we came from" as some "friends" tell us

 

But.... who cares about facts these days, it's the rating that counts

[nebula]

 

The 6-Day war was started by Israel when they attacked The Sinai Peninsula.

 

A huge reason why I, and others are critical of Israel is because they do "act like the school ground bully" is they continually violate International Law, especially in regard to Palestine.

 

You seem to forget why the 6-day war was started

Remember the Tiran straights? Remember Abdul-Nasser's blockade of the red sea?

 

These things most likely are not mentioned in his resources. (My guess anyway.)

[nebula]

Precursors to War:

 

The Six-Day War — the third major Arab-Israeli conflict — was in a sense a continuation of the first two wars. Broadly speaking, the causes of the fighting in 1967 overlapped with the causes of fighting in 1948 (Arab rejection of Israel) and 1956 (continued rejectionism and an Egyptian blockade of shipping to Israel). See here for more.

 

Specifically, the war stemmed from Egypt's decision to expel United Nations troops from the Sinai peninsula and blockade Israel's port of Eilat, under international law a casus belli, or act of war, in addition to belligerent Arab threats to destroy Israel. Much of the above could be traced to Soviet meddling and misinformation.

 

http://www.sixdaywar.org/precursors.asp

 

 

War

 

The Six-Day War involved three distinct battlefronts, tied together by a shared desire on the part of the surrounding Arab states to eliminate Israel and erase the shame of their defeat 19 years earlier when they failed to destroy the nascent Jewish state.

 

Egypt, the largest Arab state with a population of 31 million, massed troops on its border with Israel and imposed a naval blockade of Israel’s southern port, an act of war. Confronted with these aggressive moves, and the Arab leaders' promises to destroy the Jewish state, Israel launched a pre-emptive strike against the Egyptian army and airforce. Egypt’s air force was quickly crippled, and a well-executed Israeli ground offensive routed the Egyptian forces in Gaza and the Sinai peninsula in four days.

 

Buoyed by false reports of Egyptian success, Jordan initiated offensive actions against Israel from the eastern portion of Jerusalem and from lands it occupied west of the Jordan river (the West Bank). Israeli forces responded by attacking Jordanian military positions. After a three days of fierce fighting, especially in and around Jerusalem, Israeli forces defeated the Jordanians and gained control of all of Jerusalem as well as the West Bank, the historical heartland of the Jewish people known to Israelis as Judea and Samaria.

Following an air attack by the Syrians on the first day of the war, Israel dealt a shattering blow to the Syrian air force. Hostilites continued in the days that followed, and on fifth day of the war, the Israelis mustered enough forces to remove the Syrian threat from the Golan Heights. This difficult operation was completed the following day, bringing the active phase of the war to a close.

 

http://www.sixdaywar.org/war.asp