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I think it depends upon what one means by 'reading minds;' can you read your child's mind? Then yes, satan can read a sinner's mind, at least.

 

No he cannot. He instills impressions and orchestrates circumstances according to what he thinks will cause a person to do his will, but he has no access to our thinking, unless we speak what we think to the air, which is why we must be careful what we say.


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I think it depends upon what one means by 'reading minds;' can you read your child's mind? Then yes, satan can read a sinner's mind, at least.

 

No he cannot. He instills impressions and orchestrates circumstances according to what he thinks will cause a person to do his will, but he has no access to our thinking, unless we speak what we think to the air, which is why we must be careful what we say.

 

That would describe the saved more than the lost, though, wouldn't it?

I maintain that if satan is ones father, yes, he can read your mind.

 

 

No, it describers Satan and his horde. He is not God. He is a created being, and has very limited powers. The human mind is not open to his knowledge---saved or unsaved.


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I think it depends upon what one means by 'reading minds;' can you read your child's mind? Then yes, satan can read a sinner's mind, at least.

 

No he cannot. He instills impressions and orchestrates circumstances according to what he thinks will cause a person to do his will, but he has no access to our thinking, unless we speak what we think to the air, which is why we must be careful what we say.

 

Can I ask why you feel this way? You seem awfully sure, where Scripture is not.

 

 

I know that Satan cannot read our minds because he resorts to using demons to try to destroy us. He is completely in the dark about what we think. He only knows that we are marked by God, and tries to undermine our callings which he can see in the spiritual realm. He can whisper ideas and create impressions, but it is up to us what we set our minds on! It is up to us to say, "Devil get under my feet!"

 

We, as believers are to take our thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ. Satan has no access to our minds unless we choose to listen to what he is saying.

 

As for sinners, demons can play with their minds by creating impressions, circumstances and speaking ideas to them, but their minds, as created by God, are still their own, but are open to Satan's influence....not his reading.

 

The enemy cannot know what we are thinking unless we speak it.


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I dislike this theory because it makes satan quite a bit less discerning than people, who obviously can.

 

Satan has no access to our minds unless we choose to listen to what he is saying.

I agree here. Unless is a big word, tho.

 

What theory is that?

 

Do you think Satan is somehow super discerning? He's cunning, but he is no match for a strong, blood-washed, Spirit-filled believer! Born again believers who know who they are in Christ and have learned about the enemy (because we are an army, after all!), are far more discerning about Satan than he is comfortable with, and good thing! We are the light of the world---not him!

 

Satan and his power has a place under our feet. It's a good place for him. My God is bigger than the universe.


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I dislike this theory because it makes satan quite a bit less discerning than people, who obviously can.

 

Satan has no access to our minds unless we choose to listen to what he is saying.

I agree here. Unless is a big word, tho.

 

What theory is that?

 

Do you think Satan is somehow super discerning? He's cunning, but he is no match for a strong, blood-washed, Spirit-filled believer! Born again believers who know who they are in Christ and have learned about the enemy (because we are an army, after all!), are far more discerning about Satan than he is comfortable with, and good thing! We are the light of the world---not him!

 

Satan and his power has a place under our feet. It's a good place for him. My God is bigger than the universe.

 

Well, that is Scripture. Yes, satan is super-discerning, at least where sin is concerned; and I am a sinner. Strong, blood-washed, spirit-filled believers would have a mortal fight on their hands, I'm guessing, and would prolly fail in a direct confrontation with satan; if you knew any. I don't. Sure, I'd like to believe that describes me...but the prudent see evil coming, and hide themselves...and other Scriptures warn me no to try to confront satan in this manner...so I don't know. I don't think either of us even knows any of those; they would be, like, Joan of Arc types, I think. Surely they exist, tho. Our light is pretty dim right now...

Satan's Influence

satan_rulea.gifSatan rules the world (John 12:3114:3016:112 Cor 4:4Eph 2:26:121 John 5:19).  He has direct access to people through sin, as symbolized by the Tree of Evil.3  Unbelievers are subject to him, but believers have a choice of whether to obey God or Satan.  However, Satan is so slick and powerful and brilliant that he is seldom exposed.  The most advanced believers are no match for Satan.  Only by separation from the world and Spiritual growth do believers begin to have impact on Satan's operations.  Believers in Spiritual Rapport are able to win in some conflicts with Satan through the Grace of God.

Satan has power over national leaders, governments, courts, schools, and the people.  He deceives the nations (Rev 18:2320:38,10).  He sponsors religion, which is man by man's efforts trying to reach God, e.g. in the Pharisees (Jn 8:44).  Relationship with God can only come through Grace by faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 4:12Eph 2:8-9).  Satan controls most churches (1 Jn 4:1Rev 2:2024).  Satan and his demons tempt people to sin and entice them into human good and evil (Jas 1:14).  They can overpower people (Jn 13:272 Cor 4:4), put thoughts in their minds and hearts (Jn 13:2Acts 5:3), and read their minds.  They can answer the prayers of believers who are not filled with the Spirit.  Satan spoke through Moses when Moses got angry (Nu 20:10).  And he can speak through anyone else, including pastors and educators.

Satan is a liar and the father of lies, and those who believe him in the Cosmic System are full of lies (Jn 8:44) (Psa 62:9116:11Jer 9:4-5Rom 3:4).  He is a murderer, who will use any means to achieve his ends.  He inspired the first murder in history (Gen 4:81 John 3:12–15Jude 11).  He is the author of sin (1 Jn 3:8).  He is the tempter, murderer, deceiver, liar, and sorcerer (Jn 8:44Gal 5:201 Thess 3:5Rev 12:9;18:2321:8).

Satan's followers are called by names like evil, wicked, and reversionistic.  They are full of lies, bitterness, deceit, and murder, like Satan (Rom 3:10-18).  They walk in darkness even though they may appear as angels of light (2 Cor 11:14).  They go from bad to worse on their way to death (2 Tim 3:13).  Their paths are crooked (Psa 125:5).  They are agitated like the tossing sea (Isa 57:20), and the way of peace they have not known (Isa 57:2159:8Rom 3:17).

 

 

If you are a blood-washed follower of Jesus Christ, God doesn't see you as a sinner, nor does He call you one, so you are agreeing with Satan right there from the get-go.

 

We who are Spirit-filled and living the way God wants us to live are walking as overcomers in life. Satan has NO POWER over us! We have the authority of Jesus over him. He is small enough to put under our feet. Don't make the mistake of thinking he is all that formidable to the Spirit-led believer. He isn't anything but an occasional nuisance, which is why we take God's word seriously and obey God in walking circumspectly.


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If you are a blood-washed follower of Jesus Christ, God doesn't see you as a sinner, nor does He call you one, so you are agreeing with Satan right there from the get-go.

Ok, no disagreement here! Except maybe that you are protected by a hedge prolly doesn't = full frontal 'attack' @ satan...

and, I'll be pulling this (sweet, to me) post of yours back out on an OS thread. Funny, I'm arguing your pov here on another thread...

 

 

We who are Spirit-filled and living the way God wants us to live are walking as overcomers in life. Satan has NO POWER over us! We have the authority of Jesus over him. He is small enough to put under our feet. Don't make the mistake of thinking he is all that formidable to the Spirit-led believer. He isn't anything but an occasional nuisance, which is why we take God's word seriously and obey God in walking circumspectly.

A BIG AMEN. But we have turned even 'overcoming' into some navel-gazing experience; it now most often means

overcoming some habit we think God prolly wants us to stop, etc., don't you think? And I mean as a Body; not you.

 

Subject change: I'm curious your living situation, if I may ask? Own your house? Paid off? What church? It's awesome! : )

 

 


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If you are a blood-washed follower of Jesus Christ, God doesn't see you as a sinner, nor does He call you one, so you are agreeing with Satan right there from the get-go.

Ok, no disagreement here! Except maybe that you are protected by a hedge prolly doesn't = full frontal 'attack' @ satan...

and, I'll be pulling this (sweet, to me) post of yours back out on an OS thread. Funny, I'm arguing your pov here on another thread...

 

 

We who are Spirit-filled and living the way God wants us to live are walking as overcomers in life. Satan has NO POWER over us! We have the authority of Jesus over him. He is small enough to put under our feet. Don't make the mistake of thinking he is all that formidable to the Spirit-led believer. He isn't anything but an occasional nuisance, which is why we take God's word seriously and obey God in walking circumspectly.

A BIG AMEN. But we have turned even 'overcoming' into some navel-gazing experience; it now most often means

overcoming some habit we think God prolly wants us to stop, etc., don't you think? And I mean as a Body; not you.

 

Subject change: I'm curious your living situation, if I may ask? Own your house? Paid off? What church? It's awesome! : )

 

 

 

I don't have such a jaded view toward my Spirit-filled brothers and sisters in Christ.

 

(What is OS?)

 

Original Sin; as opposed to the Law of sin and death. Nevermind, lol, we'll get to that in a year or so, maybe

 

Again, I refer to the Body, and not individual believers. Please don't infer by that that I condescend to anyone...everyone's definitions and standards are different;

so I would say "Who's talking about the Spirit-filled?" but that is effectively a null Q prolly. Who's talking about the Spirit~filled?

 


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Only God's standards are perfect and consistent. I also was referring to the Body of Christ---all true believers, who are Spirit-filled and about His business in the earth.

 

Amen; but on the topic, many who might consider themselves Christians are not yet up to that standard.

satan can read the minds of...carnal Christians? Maybe that's a good way to put it.

 

 

Satan cannot read anyone's mind. He hasn't that kind of power. He is not like God, who is omniscient, and as our Creator, has that ability.


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Satan cannot read anyone's mind. He hasn't that kind of power. He is not like God, who is omniscient, and as our Creator, has that ability.

 

To rebut, I would quote the overview of satan, post 39 @ and read their minds,

below the image. Preceding this phrase is " They can overpower people (Jn 13:272 Cor 4:4), put thoughts in their minds and hearts (Jn 13:2Acts 5:3), ...with Scripture as it goes. The knowledge that satan can read (know) your mind stems from the fact that (he) can put thoughts in our minds and hearts (minds), which naturally follows. satan was the most beautiful, most decorated angel, and even other angels--that we would prolly fall down worshipping (slobbering, prolly lol)--give satan plenty of elbow room.

 

 

Your bible references do not say what you are claiming. Plus, you've merely copied and pasted something that you like, but doesn't speak the whole truth. Satan can implant thoughts and impressions that will bring about behaviour that he is looking for. He will take control of anyone who allows him, but he cannot read anyone's mind unless a depraved person gives over control. That is not the same thing!


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I maintain that if satan is ones father, yes, he can read your mind;

and you are on his wavelength more often, surely much more often,

than you might like to admit, in a hundred, a thousand (mostly unseen by you) ways.

 

yup

 

 

Nice to see you agree with yourself!

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