For those that believe in the Big Bang, what was there before?

[neil_]

  Galileo, who was a Christian, discovered helio-centrism   

 

Discovered? Perhaps you meant promoted it. Because, to this day, it’s no certainty at all.

 

 

  Johannes Keplar discovered the  laws governing planetary motion   

 

First, it’s Kepler. Then, those laws are wrong, so don’t bother getting the name right.

 

 

 these men would be ridiculed today for their belief in God as Creator.  

 

You have the wrong heroes. Certainly Kepler went a long way AGAINST the Bible. Also, Galileo not only did not have any proof for the idea that he supported (really none – a situation falsely taught otherwise in today’s schools), but the situation has stayed the same to this day (i.e. there is still no proof for heliocentrism).

[neil_]

 Isaac Newton was a Bible believing creationist.  Many scientific discoveries and Calculus too.

 

Actually, his most important opera is about the Bible. By far.

 

And in regard to his cosmologic endeavours, he was wrong.

[~candice~]

Welcome to worthy, neil_.

 

You have some interesting opinions on this topic. Sounds like you are a fellow believer?

 

 

Science, in this case the big bang, tells me HOW He did it. i.e. God created via the big bang. 

 

Actually, big bang is wrong. And it’s so simple to prove that. Literally, it would only take 2 words…

 

What are they?

 

 

  The biggest thing I disagree with atheists about is not science, but philosophical naturalism.   

 

Good. Then you don’t believe in evolution. But then why exactly would you believe in cosmic evolution (aka big bang)? You’re contradicting yourself.

 

In the context of this conversation, we were implying "biological evolution" when we said "evolution. What objection do you have to cosmic evolution?

 

 

   The BB doesn't cover creation or evolution, it is just a theory of beginnings.  

 

Big bang cosmology covers the entire time (except the very beginning) – including today. Which by the way, in your universe doesn’t exist.

 

Explain "your universe doesn't exist"?

 

 

   A scientific reading of Genesis clashes with evolution. I dont think we should read it scientifically though.  

 

Evolution and science clearly don’t belong in the same sentence (unless you use one to negate the other). Popper clearly proved that in regard to both big bang cosmology and biological evolution.

 

Lots of things we call science fail to be repeatable and falsifiable these days. Is that what you mean? Though some very keen students of science might actually offer up lab experiements (the ecoli one, for example) where we do have repeatable falsifiable evidence. If this isn't what you were getting at, then why do you think that evolution is not science?

 

but that said, evolution is not synonymous with the big bang. The time periods in which they operate don't overlap.

 

If you believe so dearly in what evolutionists promote with their godless agendas, then how exactly did you miss terms like “cosmic evolution”, “geologic evolution”, “chemical evolution”?

We were talking about biological evolution. I have no bug bear against any of the other forms of evolution at all.

 

[JDavis]

 

  Galileo, who was a Christian, discovered helio-centrism   

 

Discovered? Perhaps you meant promoted it. Because, to this day, it’s no certainty at all.

 

 

 

 

  Johannes Keplar discovered the  laws governing planetary motion   

 

First, it’s Kepler. Then, those laws are wrong, so don’t bother getting the name right.

 

 

 

 

 these men would be ridiculed today for their belief in God as Creator.  

 

You have the wrong heroes. Certainly Kepler went a long way AGAINST the Bible. Also, Galileo not only did not have any proof for the idea that he supported (really none – a situation falsely taught otherwise in today’s schools), but the situation has stayed the same to this day (i.e. there is still no proof for heliocentrism).

 

 

 

This is remarkable, in 50 years of life I have never ran across anyone that doubted heliocentrism, and in the course of a week I encounter two of them on the same forum.

 

I do have to ask, do you view the moon landing as a hoax?  I mean with heliocentrism is false, we would have missed the moon by a long, long way.

[MarkNigro]

Wow.  In our midst we have someone who claims to be able to disprove the big bang, evolution, gravitational theory, relativity, and heliocentrism.  IOW, the greatest scientific mind the world has ever known!!  

 

Have fun...

But don't evolutionists have atheists in their ranks?

[JDavis]

 

Wow.  In our midst we have someone who claims to be able to disprove the big bang, evolution, gravitational theory, relativity, and heliocentrism.  IOW, the greatest scientific mind the world has ever known!!  

 

Have fun...

But don't evolutionists have atheists in their ranks?

 

 

evolutionists have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks.

 

Then again statisticians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks..I guess I should ignore all I know about statistics due to this fact.

 

and mathematicians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks...I guess I should ignore all I know about math due to this fact.

[MarkNigro]

 

 

Wow.  In our midst we have someone who claims to be able to disprove the big bang, evolution, gravitational theory, relativity, and heliocentrism.  IOW, the greatest scientific mind the world has ever known!!  

 

Have fun...

But don't evolutionists have atheists in their ranks?

 

 

evolutionists have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks.

 

Then again statisticians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks..I guess I should ignore all I know about statistics due to this fact.

 

and mathematicians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks...I guess I should ignore all I know about math due to this fact.

 

Evolutionists have Communist Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Communist China and Moa. That is what was taught in their schools.

[JDavis]

 

 

 

Wow.  In our midst we have someone who claims to be able to disprove the big bang, evolution, gravitational theory, relativity, and heliocentrism.  IOW, the greatest scientific mind the world has ever known!!  

 

Have fun...

But don't evolutionists have atheists in their ranks?

 

 

evolutionists have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks.

 

Then again statisticians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks..I guess I should ignore all I know about statistics due to this fact.

 

and mathematicians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks...I guess I should ignore all I know about math due to this fact.

 

Evolutionists have Communist Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Communist China and Moa. That is what was taught in their schools.

 

 

Oh No!!!!!!! Communist Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Communist China and Moa all teach math in their schools. 

 

 

We need to stop teaching math right now, how could a Christian learn the same things those people are learning! 

 

I hope you never use math again!

[MarkNigro]

 

 

 

 

Wow.  In our midst we have someone who claims to be able to disprove the big bang, evolution, gravitational theory, relativity, and heliocentrism.  IOW, the greatest scientific mind the world has ever known!!  

 

Have fun...

But don't evolutionists have atheists in their ranks?

 

 

evolutionists have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks.

 

Then again statisticians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks..I guess I should ignore all I know about statistics due to this fact.

 

and mathematicians have atheist, theist, Christians, Muslims, Buddhist and more in their ranks...I guess I should ignore all I know about math due to this fact.

 

Evolutionists have Communist Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Communist China and Moa. That is what was taught in their schools.

 

 

Oh No!!!!!!! Communist Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Communist China and Moa all teach math in their schools. 

 

 

We need to stop teaching math right now, how could a Christian learn the same things those people are learning! 

 

I hope you never use math again!

 

Miss direction.

 

Teach Math, so do Creationists. But they do not indoctrinate into atheistic origin science. Origin without God does sow seeds.

[OneLight]

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