Problem youths

[Guest ninhao]

Are parents responsible for youths who commit crimes ?

 

I recall the punishment upon Eli because of his poor parenting.

 

1Sa 2:29  Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation; and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people?

 

1Sa 4:17-18  And the messenger answered and said, Israel is fled before the Philistines, and there hath been also a great slaughter among the people, and thy two sons also, Hophni and Phinehas, are dead, and the ark of God is taken.  (18)  And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.
 

[thomas t]

Hello Ninhao,

 

you are raising an interesting point here.

Let me just discuss the choice of your title. "Problem Youths" is concerning the person of the youths. The notion of crimes, however, is directed towards the deeds. This is judging - in theory - people by their deeds. Jesus will do that, that's for sure. I think, youths are still young obviously. They need opportunities, we shouldn't blame them, in my opinion, to be of bad character for having committed crimes.

What do you think?

 

Thomas

[Guest ninhao]

Hello Ninhao,

 

you are raising an interesting point here.

Let me just discuss the choice of your title. "Problem Youths" is concerning the person of the youths. The notion of crimes, however, is directed towards the deeds. This is judging - in theory - people by their deeds. Jesus will do that, that's for sure. I think, youths are still young obviously. They need opportunities, we shouldn't blame them, in my opinion, to be of bad character for having committed crimes.

What do you think?

 

Thomas

 

Hello Thomas,

 

My issue isn't exactly to judge the youths but to challenge the parents. I agree the youths need opportunity which should be provided by the parents imo. What do you think ?

For your benefit let's suggest the thread title is " Are parents to blame for problem youths ?"

[thomas t]

For your benefit let's suggest the thread title is " Are parents to blame for problem youths ?"

why not shifting the topic to the deeds and away from the persons. Do you think "are parents to blame for crimes committed by their children?" would make it, too?

or, slightly more briefly: "parents to be blamed for their children's mistakes?"

[nebula]

Are parents responsible for youths who commit crimes ?

 

Everyone is responsible for their own sin.

 

In the case of the parent, the parent is responsible for how they sinned against the child. Eli's sin was to "honor his sins above the Lord."

[Guest ninhao]

 

For your benefit let's suggest the thread title is " Are parents to blame for problem youths ?"

why not shifting the topic to the deeds and away from the persons. Do you think "are parents to blame for crimes committed by their children?" would make it, too?

or, slightly more briefly: "parents to be blamed for their children's mistakes?"

 

 

The deeds are the symptom of the problem which is why I am addressing the problem.( parents and problem youths ) Does this make sense ?

[Guest ninhao]

 

Everyone is responsible for their own sin.

 

In the case of the parent, the parent is responsible for how they sinned against the child. Eli's sin was to "honor his sins above the Lord."

 

 

Would you say parents who do not correct/guide their children are " honoring their sons above the Lord " ?

[nebula]

 

 

Everyone is responsible for their own sin.

 

In the case of the parent, the parent is responsible for how they sinned against the child. Eli's sin was to "honor his sins above the Lord."

 

 

Would you say parents who do not correct/guide their children are " honoring their sons above the Lord " ?

 

 

I think we need to be careful in what we determine and discuss with this. Our society is filled with broken people raising broken people who in turn raise their own broken people. Many children have to live through the divorce of their parents (if you've ever had to go through your parents divorcing, you would understand what that does). Peer pressure pulls kids this way and that way. Schools are spending more time raising children than the parents are. Popular entertainment is filling their heads with worldly ideals and principles and behavior.

 

Thus, to put everything on the backs of parents isn't making a righteous judgment.

 

That said, correction and guidance begins with how the parent loves the child, not how the parent disciplines the child (that comes second).

[thomas t]

 

The deeds are the symptom of the problem which is why I am addressing the problem.( parents and problem youths ) Does this make sense ?

 

Please let Jesus do the judgement.

Or is it that you just would like to discuss responsibilities the way Nebula does?

Why not "who is to take the responsibility for children's actions?" as your title? Would this suit your mood?

 

Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[an arameic term of contempt, explanation by NIV, my comment] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. Mt 5:22b

 

My interpretation of this goes the following: if you'd call a youth "problem" you will be answereable to a divine court. My point in showing you this verse is to show you what the consequences might be, if you'd ever call a youth names.

 

Thomas

[Guest ninhao]

 

 

The deeds are the symptom of the problem which is why I am addressing the problem.( parents and problem youths ) Does this make sense ?

 

Please let Jesus do the judgement.

Or is it that you just would like to discuss responsibilities the way Nebula does?

Why not "who is to take the responsibility for children's actions?" as your title? Would this suit your mood?

 

Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[an arameic term of contempt, explanation by NIV, my comment] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell. Mt 5:22b

 

My interpretation of this goes the following: if you'd call a youth "problem" you will be answereable to a divine court. My point in showing you this verse is to show you what the consequences might be, if you'd ever call a youth names.

 

Thomas

 

 

Ah ok Thomas now I understand your point and I agree. My intention isn't to judge the youth but to investigate the cause as you have said.

 

Thank you for the correction.