Guest man Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 In that passage John is describing something he's looking at. He actually sees the things he's writing about. Why wouldn't you take what he's saying as literal? Granted, I don't know anyone who has a double edged sword coming from their mouth, but John said this is what he saw. What is your interpretation of that passage? John was given a vision from God, he was not seeing actual things but God's representation to John of things to come. This passage, and the entire book of Revelation is allegorical, God uses symbolism and metaphors to give us a look at the end times. To take any single verse or passage out of Revelation and try to use it in a literal sense is to miss the entire point that God was trying to make. So what point was God trying to make with the passage in question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 14, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 14, 2013 This thread started by discussing nudity in this world. Please get back on track. If there is a desire to discuss being dressed in heaven, let me know and i will split the thread. Actually, it is related, because whether or not clothes are worn in heaven is being used as an argument for or against nudity in this world.Yes, I realize it was hijacked awhile ago and the reason I suggested the split. I'd ask the OP, but he has not been back sine his first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted September 14, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Share Posted September 14, 2013 So what point was God trying to make with the passage in question? I don't believe there is one, it is part of a larger narrative. This is one of the downfalls of the modern verse and chapter system we have added to the bible. Take away the verses and nobody would think to grab an odd passage here and there and try to assign a particular message to it. We never see this with any book but the bible. I have never seen anyone say "what do you think this paragraph in the middle of this chapter in the Lord of The Rings means?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted September 14, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted September 14, 2013 This thread started by discussing nudity in this world. Please get back on track. If there is a desire to discuss being dressed in heaven, let me know and i will split the thread. Actually, it is related, because whether or not clothes are worn in heaven is being used as an argument for or against nudity in this world. nobody in this thread is arguing for nudity in this world. That was not the impression I was given from what was posted by TR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsukinoRei Posted September 15, 2013 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/02/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) This thread started by discussing nudity in this world. Please get back on track. If there is a desire to discuss being dressed in heaven, let me know and i will split the thread. Actually, it is related, because whether or not clothes are worn in heaven is being used as an argument for or against nudity in this world. nobody in this thread is arguing for nudity in this world. That was not the impression I was given from what was posted by TR. I like my clothes on. I simply see no biblical basis for forcing my personal preferences and cultural norms onto others. I also won't accept others forcing their personal preferences or cultural norms onto me. I won't wrap up like a mummy and drape the wrappings in black robes just so nobody gets offended by my flesh. Edited September 15, 2013 by OneLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 15, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,193 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,918 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 15, 2013 hummmm, a level headed person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted September 15, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted September 15, 2013 Please respect this ministry as you use descriptive words, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I am not the one that brought this point in to the discussion. I am just responding to what people post You mean, you like to stir the pot and see where it goes? You had no point to make with regards to the subject? So...you bring up a passage in Revalation, I comment in it and then reply to direct questions and that is stirring the pot. How creative Actually Jesus is wearing clothes, JD. "Clothed in Righteousness" is a metaphorical statement regarding Jesus as completely righteous. Righteousness is not a garment in the literal sense. Revelation 1 and 19 describe the clothes Jesus is wearing. Do you believe there is a literal sword coming out of the mouth of Jesus as described in chapter 1? No, but neither can we simply write everything off in Revelation as figurative whenever it is convenient to do so. There is NOTHING about the description of Jesus in Rev. 1 that possesses any figurative imagery. There are no figurative elements indicated anywhere in the text of that particular description. It is convenient to simply brush it off as figurative, but it takes a competent exegete to demonstrate when a figurative device is being employed in the text. So if you believe it is figurative, I assme that you have the hermeneutic skill necessary to demonstrate exegetically that this description is really a figurative or symbolic or whatever. I await your exegesis of this passage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsukinoRei Posted September 15, 2013 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 1 Joined: 01/02/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 15, 2013 Please respect this ministry as you use descriptive words, thank you. I would if I had the dimmest foggiest idea what I said wrong. In my ignorance, I've got no way to comply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDavis Posted September 15, 2013 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,740 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 183 Days Won: 7 Joined: 07/02/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1964 Share Posted September 15, 2013 No, but neither can we simply write everything off in Revelation as figurative whenever it is convenient to do so. There is NOTHING about the description of Jesus in Rev. 1 that possesses any figurative imagery. There are no figurative elements indicated anywhere in the text of that particular description. It is convenient to simply brush it off as figurative, but it takes a competent exegete to demonstrate when a figurative device is being employed in the text. So if you believe it is figurative, I assme that you have the hermeneutic skill necessary to demonstrate exegetically that this description is really a figurative or symbolic or whatever. I await your exegesis of this passage. So, the sword coming out of Jesus' mouth is not figurative imagery? Really? are you sure you want to stick with that story? The first clue that it is figurative is that it was a vision, not a reality. Second, the entire description of Jesus is filled with symbolism and figurative speech. His hair was not really wool and his eyes were not really on fire. His feet were not really made of bronze. The stars and the lampstands are symbolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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