It's Jesus's Birthday today

[Micheal Westin]

 

 

 

 I wonder how you would feel if your husband decided to celebrate your birthday on the same day as the girl he dated before he met you, he could say its just easier,

 

yuh just know there's gonna be trouble when you read comments like that...pushes hat back off of forehead, dusts off hands and walks off to the sound of jingling spurs...dude where's my horse?

 

no I'm just wondering if God has emotions, we know from scripture He claims to be a Jealous God, and He doesn't  like sharing being God with other gods, we also see from scripture that He doesn't  accept offerings on other gods altars, but for some reason we are to imagine that when it comes to celebrating His Son's birthday, any day will do, even if its a pagan holiday that had nothing to do with Christ birth but was merely a way the Catholic church once again used paganism as a way to get pagans to come inside the church

[Micheal Westin]

 

 

 

Its a well known fact that Christ was not born on Christmas, does anyone else celebrate His birthday on the day most bible theologians and astrologers believe is probably the real day Jesus was born

September 11........Its interesting that it would also be a day chosen to attack America

Astrologers, really?

didn't the magi who the bible list as wise men know from the stars that the King of the Jews was born in Bethleham, wouldn't you believe since these men were following a star, that they were familiar with astrology, actually due to invention of the computer they can actually go back in time and figure out where the star and planets were the same day they met the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords

There's two major errors in your logic. First, the star they followed was something not normally in the sky-which means it was likely something god put in place special for that reason and likely disappeared after the fact-so any attempt to figure out the actual day from the stars is folly-as its based on the faulty assumption that the star is still there or it was something natural.

Second, is your assumption that the wise men showed up the day of his birth. Fact is most scholars believe they didn't find Jesus until months, if not 2 or 3 years after Christ was born and there's nothing in scripture or otherwise that state they even showed up on his birthday.

So basically that's why you don't base your belief in astrology. Its full of faulty assumptions and lacking in facts.

 

You really should watch the video someone posted called "the star of Bethlehem" Its the most interesting bible based video I've ever watched in my life, you seem to think what was seen in the sky was just a star God put there, yet what this video shows is the wisemen seem to have an understanding of the constelations and what they actually mean, God also attest to putting the constelations in the heavens and He has said they do declare His glory, watch the video its AWSOME! 

[Micheal Westin]

Its a well known fact that Christ was not born on Christmas, does anyone else celebrate His birthday on the day most bible theologians and astrologers believe is probably the real day Jesus was born

September 11........Its interesting that it would also be a day chosen to attack America

Astrologers, really?

didn't the magi who the bible list as wise men know from the stars that the King of the Jews was born in Bethleham, wouldn't you believe since these men were following a star, that they were familiar with astrology, actually due to invention of the computer they can actually go back in time and figure out where the star and planets were the same day they met the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords

There's two major errors in your logic. First, the star they followed was something not normally in the sky-which means it was likely something god put in place special for that reason and likely disappeared after the fact-so any attempt to figure out the actual day from the stars is folly-as its based on the faulty assumption that the star is still there or it was something natural.

Second, is your assumption that the wise men showed up the day of his birth. Fact is most scholars believe they didn't find Jesus until months, if not 2 or 3 years after Christ was born and there's nothing in scripture or otherwise that state they even showed up on his birthday.

So basically that's why you don't base your belief in astrology. Its full of faulty assumptions and lacking in facts.

 

 

 

The point is, the magi saw a star as the scripture shows; and this is not a faulty assumption--

 

Astrology is the study of the influence that distant cosmic objects, usually stars and planets, have on human lives. The position of the sun, stars, moon and planets at the time of people's birth (not their conception)(all you have to do is look it up)

 

Matthew 2:1-12

 

New King James Version (NKJV)

 

Wise Men from the East

 

2 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His Star in the East and have come to worship Him.”

 

3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.

 

5 So they said to him, “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:

 

6 ‘But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,

 

Are not the least among the rulers of Judah;

 

For out of you shall come a Ruler

 

Who will shepherd My people Israel.’”[a]

 

7 Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, “Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also.”

 

9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was.

 

10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. 11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.

 

12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way.

 

Good post thanks for taking the time to post the scripture, sounds like a star they already knew was assigned to the Messiah, only when it did something completely different did they know that the king of the Jews had been born, not sure how someone would equate a completely new star in the sky as being the star scripture states "HIS STAR"  how on earth could anyone know that a new star that just showed up would be the star of the Messiah

[Butch5]

Its a well known fact that Christ was not born on Christmas, does anyone else celebrate His birthday on the day most bible theologians and astrologers believe is probably the real day Jesus was born

September 11........Its interesting that it would also be a day chosen to attack America

I think a case can be made that Jesus was born on Rosh Hashanah. If I remover correctly it was Sept 11, 3 BC 

[Micheal Westin]

We can know when Jesus was born.   Jesus was 33 1/2 years when he died on Nisan/Aviv 14.   So, simply count backwards six months from Aviv 14 and that lands on the week of Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) in early October, late September.

 

We cannot say on what precise day Jesus died, but we can deduce from the data given us in Scripture that Jesus was born in the Autumn of the year right around the feast of Tabernacles.

You seem to have a really good grasp on the Jewish perspective, I think you would really enjoy the video someone posted concerning the Jews and the wisemen that knew "the star" was related to the King of the Jews, it appears that the Maggi were well aquainted with Jewish prophesy and the well known story of a coming Messiah

I think you would really get alot out of it, For me it was the best video I have ever watched

[missmuffet]

 

I have also heard that Jesus birthday was not December 25th but I will choose to celebrate it then.I don't want it to be so complicated.

thats fine, alot of people do that, I wonder how you would feel if your husband decided to celebrate your birthday on the same day as the girl he dated before he met you, he could say its just easier,

 

No husband.Been there done that.No thanks.

[OneLight]

Please stop the personal attacks or this thread will be closed. I just cleaned the thread, let's keep it clean.

[Micheal Westin]

 

 

 

Its a well known fact that Christ was not born on Christmas, does anyone else celebrate His birthday on the day most bible theologians and astrologers believe is probably the real day Jesus was born

September 11........Its interesting that it would also be a day chosen to attack America

Astrologers, really?

 

didn't the magi who the bible list as wise men know from the stars that the King of the Jews was born in Bethleham, wouldn't you believe since these men were following a star, that they were familiar with astrology, actually due to invention of the computer they can actually go back in time and figure out where the star and planets were the same day they met the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords

 

Astrology is divination. Astronomy is the location and study of the stars and planets. 

 

thanks for the correction, I'm not familiar with either so I didn't realize why I got such strange response, astronomy we are told is simply looking at the heavens to what God clearly has said He created to declare His glory, since God said He put the constelations in the heavens its seems reasonable that they tell a story

Edited September 13, 2013 by Micheal Westin

[Micheal Westin]

 

 

I have also heard that Jesus birthday was not December 25th but I will choose to celebrate it then.I don't want it to be so complicated.

thats fine, alot of people do that, I wonder how you would feel if your husband decided to celebrate your birthday on the same day as the girl he dated before he met you, he could say its just easier,

 

No husband.Been there done that.No thanks.

 

well sorry to hear that, more than likely you have a good understanding of being disrespected, can you still imagine meeting a new guy and he decides to celebrate your birthday on his ex's birthday, because its just more convenient for him since his whole family gets together that same day for years and years........somtimes I think people don't realize God has feelings just like the ones He gave us

[Qnts2]

We can know when Jesus was born.   Jesus was 33 1/2 years when he died on Nisan/Aviv 14.   So, simply count backwards six months from Aviv 14 and that lands on the week of Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) in early October, late September.

 

We cannot say on what precise day Jesus died, but we can deduce from the data given us in Scripture that Jesus was born in the Autumn of the year right around the feast of Tabernacles.

I disagree.

 

No where does it say that precisely the Jesus was 33 and 6 months. And late September, early October is almost impossible based on climate. December is still very much in the realm of possibility, as much as many dislike that, and it fits as far as climate and the timing of the courses of the the priesthood. Actually, November is also a possibility because of the drift of the months between the Hebrew Calendar and the modern calendar. 

 

For a good argument for a December birth, take a look at Zola Levitts papers. He wrote a very good paper on the topic.