Moroccan Christian Jailed for 'Shaking the Faith of a Muslim'

[TsukinoRei]

 

Do you think that prison time for spreading any ideology is persecution, or does prison time for spreading Christianity only count as persecution?

 

Are you asking this because you are against calling what these Christians are going through "persecution"? Or are you asking because you think Christians are being selfish for only thinking of their brothers and sisters in this? Or are you asking because you think we Christians are guilty of persecuting others and want to make a point of that? Or . . . what?

 

 

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.  Do we love our neighbours as ourselves?  Do we love our enemies?  If Christianity were to become the dominant religion in any of these countries that currently persecute Christians - and then the new Christian dominated government passed a law that sent Muslims to prison for spreading their faith, would we cry out for their chains?  And yes, I do point out that very few are calling it an outrage when there are nations that imprison homosexuals for 'propaganda'.  Why then are we surprised that there are nations that imprison Christians for what those nations also deem 'propaganda'?  Would it be ok if these people were allowed to BE Christians as long as they didn't TALK about being Christians, as long as they didn't attempt to influence or recruit any children?  Is it acceptable if all they get is a prison sentence, and if they only get it for not keeping their beliefs to themselves?  Would it not be the fault of the State when it turned a blind eye to public violence done to the Christians, because the the State itself is not doing it?

 

I think that it's terrible when these things happen to anyone.  Most people seem to only think it's terrible when these things happen to their own kind. 

[OldSchool2]

 

 

Do you think that prison time for spreading any ideology is persecution, or does prison time for spreading Christianity only count as persecution?

 

Are you asking this because you are against calling what these Christians are going through "persecution"? Or are you asking because you think Christians are being selfish for only thinking of their brothers and sisters in this? Or are you asking because you think we Christians are guilty of persecuting others and want to make a point of that? Or . . . what?

 

 

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.  Do we love our neighbours as ourselves?  Do we love our enemies?  If Christianity were to become the dominant religion in any of these countries that currently persecute Christians - and then the new Christian dominated government passed a law that sent Muslims to prison for spreading their faith ...

 

On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?

 

Islamic states easilly legislate the persecution of non-Muslims because they base their authority for this and other forms of persecution from the verses of their own Quran as well as the hadith.

 

Not long ago a sheik in Saudi officially approved of the destruction of Christian churches in Arabia based solely on the authority of a hadtih of Muhammad who said there "shall not be two religions on the peninsula of the Arabs".

[TsukinoRei]

 

 

 

Do you think that prison time for spreading any ideology is persecution, or does prison time for spreading Christianity only count as persecution?

 

Are you asking this because you are against calling what these Christians are going through "persecution"? Or are you asking because you think Christians are being selfish for only thinking of their brothers and sisters in this? Or are you asking because you think we Christians are guilty of persecuting others and want to make a point of that? Or . . . what?

 

 

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.  Do we love our neighbours as ourselves?  Do we love our enemies?  If Christianity were to become the dominant religion in any of these countries that currently persecute Christians - and then the new Christian dominated government passed a law that sent Muslims to prison for spreading their faith ...

 

On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?

 

Islamic states easilly legislate the persecution of non-Muslims because they base their authority for this and other forms of persecution from the verses of their own Quran as well as the hadith.

 

Not long ago a sheik in Saudi officially approved of the destruction of Christian churches in Arabia based solely on the authority of a hadtih of Muhammad who said there "shall not be two religions on the peninsula of the Arabs".

 

 

You shall not suffer a witch to live... as well as numerous other Old Testament laws which have been abused to recent history and in some cases present day - to subjugate women, outlaw homosexuality, murder occult practitioners and people falsely accused of occult practice, and outlaw mixed race marriages.  There are whole village slums of elderly women in Africa whom have had to flee accusations of witch-craft from family members who simply wanted their wealth.  In Christian nations such as Uganda and Russia homosexuals fear for their lives.  Would you defend the homosexuals being imprisoned in Russia?  Would you speak out for them if it meant you would go to prison too?  In Russia a teenage boy held up a sign saying that murdering homosexuals is a crime.  He was beaten by his parents and turned over to the police.  That is a Christian state.

 

Many here would say that they are not true Christians if they would do such a thing.  But the persecution watchlists count as Christian any person who identifies as a Christian - however unorthodox their beliefs, however loose their definition of Christian is, whether they attend Church once a year and call themselves Christian because their parents, and grand parents, and great grand parents were always Christian.  Many Muslims would say that the violence, and the terrorism, and the government oppression does not represent true Islam.  By these definitions, if Saudi Arabia is a Muslim state, then Russia is a Christian state, and Uganda is a Christian State.

 

The destruction of those Churches in Saudi Arabia is a terrible terrible thing.  Would you stand against the destruction of a Mosque?

[OldSchool2]

 

 

 

 

Do you think that prison time for spreading any ideology is persecution, or does prison time for spreading Christianity only count as persecution?

 

Are you asking this because you are against calling what these Christians are going through "persecution"? Or are you asking because you think Christians are being selfish for only thinking of their brothers and sisters in this? Or are you asking because you think we Christians are guilty of persecuting others and want to make a point of that? Or . . . what?

 

 

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.  Do we love our neighbours as ourselves?  Do we love our enemies?  If Christianity were to become the dominant religion in any of these countries that currently persecute Christians - and then the new Christian dominated government passed a law that sent Muslims to prison for spreading their faith ...

 

On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?

 

Islamic states easilly legislate the persecution of non-Muslims because they base their authority for this and other forms of persecution from the verses of their own Quran as well as the hadith.

 

Not long ago a sheik in Saudi officially approved of the destruction of Christian churches in Arabia based solely on the authority of a hadtih of Muhammad who said there "shall not be two religions on the peninsula of the Arabs".

 

 

You shall not suffer a witch to live... as well as numerous other Old Testament laws which have been abused to recent history and in some cases present day  ...

 

... are not a part of the New Testament.

 

As I already posted, "On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?"

 

BTW, the only time that mosques are destroyed today is when Sunni and Shia Muslims bomb each others' funerals.

[TsukinoRei]

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think that prison time for spreading any ideology is persecution, or does prison time for spreading Christianity only count as persecution?

 

Are you asking this because you are against calling what these Christians are going through "persecution"? Or are you asking because you think Christians are being selfish for only thinking of their brothers and sisters in this? Or are you asking because you think we Christians are guilty of persecuting others and want to make a point of that? Or . . . what?

 

 

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.  Do we love our neighbours as ourselves?  Do we love our enemies?  If Christianity were to become the dominant religion in any of these countries that currently persecute Christians - and then the new Christian dominated government passed a law that sent Muslims to prison for spreading their faith ...

 

On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?

 

Islamic states easilly legislate the persecution of non-Muslims because they base their authority for this and other forms of persecution from the verses of their own Quran as well as the hadith.

 

Not long ago a sheik in Saudi officially approved of the destruction of Christian churches in Arabia based solely on the authority of a hadtih of Muhammad who said there "shall not be two religions on the peninsula of the Arabs".

 

 

You shall not suffer a witch to live... as well as numerous other Old Testament laws which have been abused to recent history and in some cases present day  ...

 

... are not a part of the New Testament.

 

As I already posted, "On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?"

 

BTW, the only time that mosques are destroyed today is when Sunni and Shia Muslims bomb each others' funerals.

 

 

It is my belief that if these people actually read their New Testament, the whole thing, and understood it, they wouldn't be left with a violent leg to stand on.  And yet, there remains people, not only today but throughout history that have read the whole Bible, believe they have understood it, and are still violent.  I think that these people just aren't getting it.  It remains that they identify themselves as Christian.  The civil war between Muslims and Christians in Africa has been ongoing.  If you google Christian terrorists and Christian Militia, or Christian Armies, you will find most of them today are in Africa - kidnapping and training up child soldiers in the name of Christ no less. 

 

I am sure that you must know that there are many people who identify themselves as Christian who focus more on the Old Testament than on the New Testament - and as justification for this they point to New Testament verses which state that Jesus came to fulfill these laws, not erase them.  To do this they conveniently ignore all the other verses about the law that point to a new and better covenant that supersedes the old, or the verses pointing out the impossibility of being saved by the old law or the fact that it is written that many of the old laws were impossible to live under and the impossibility of them proved further the need for Christ.  Even Christians in America do this.

 

I can only give you a dim understanding of what drives people who identify themselves as Christian to be violent.  But these are not the extreme circumstances I'm asking you to comment on.  I am confident that you and anyone else here would be quick to distance yourselves from supporting such acts of violence.  At least I hope you would.

 

I have heard a number of Christians in North America calling for the removal of Mosques from American soil.  Would you rebuke them?  I have also heard a number of Christians in North America declaring that the laws in Russia which were passed to imprison homosexuals for 'propoganda', are a very good thing which ought to be mirrored in North America - and that Russia is truly a more Christian nation than either Canada or the United States for doing this.  Would you agree with them?  If not, then why complain when Christians are imprisoned for 'propoganda', or Churches are removed in other nations?

 

Thank you for asking for clarification.  I feel like I've answered your questions to the best of my ability.  Will you answer mine as well?    

[nebula]

In Russia a teenage boy held up a sign saying that murdering homosexuals is a crime.  He was beaten by his parents and turned over to the police.  That is a Christian state.

  When did Russia become a "Christian" state?

[nebula]

I have heard a number of Christians in North America calling for the removal of Mosques from American soil.  Would you rebuke them?

 

The issues of Mosques is a bit tricky. for Islam is not just a religion, but also a political power. Mosques are not considered by Muslims as just a building to gather in for worship, but they are considered as claiming ground for their "Allah".

 

It's a very sticky situation.

[nebula]

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.

 

That's an interesting perspective.

 

But when you read Revelation, do you see the focus on Christian persecution as being hypocritical as well?

[OldSchool2]

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Do you think that prison time for spreading any ideology is persecution, or does prison time for spreading Christianity only count as persecution?

 

Are you asking this because you are against calling what these Christians are going through "persecution"? Or are you asking because you think Christians are being selfish for only thinking of their brothers and sisters in this? Or are you asking because you think we Christians are guilty of persecuting others and want to make a point of that? Or . . . what?

 

 

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.  Do we love our neighbours as ourselves?  Do we love our enemies?  If Christianity were to become the dominant religion in any of these countries that currently persecute Christians - and then the new Christian dominated government passed a law that sent Muslims to prison for spreading their faith ...

 

On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?

 

Islamic states easilly legislate the persecution of non-Muslims because they base their authority for this and other forms of persecution from the verses of their own Quran as well as the hadith.

 

Not long ago a sheik in Saudi officially approved of the destruction of Christian churches in Arabia based solely on the authority of a hadtih of Muhammad who said there "shall not be two religions on the peninsula of the Arabs".

 

 

You shall not suffer a witch to live... as well as numerous other Old Testament laws which have been abused to recent history and in some cases present day  ...

 

... are not a part of the New Testament.

 

As I already posted, "On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?"

 

BTW, the only time that mosques are destroyed today is when Sunni and Shia Muslims bomb each others' funerals.

 

 

It is my belief that if these people actually read their New Testament, the whole thing, and understood it, they wouldn't be left with a violent leg to stand on.  And yet, there remains people, not only today but throughout history that have read the whole Bible, believe they have understood it, and are still violent.  I think that these people just aren't getting it.  It remains that they identify themselves as Christian.  The civil war between Muslims and Christians in Africa has been ongoing.  If you google Christian terrorists and Christian Militia, or Christian Armies, you will find most of them today are in Africa - kidnapping and training up child soldiers in the name of Christ no less. 

 

I am sure that you must know that there are many people who identify themselves as Christian ...

 

Do you identify yourself as a Christian?

 

Your profile gives no clue as to what religion you are, but you have complained so much about my fellow Christians on this Worthy News forum that I am begining to suspect you're a Muslim posting under a cute Japanese cartoon avatar.

 

Perhaps your avatar should be a wolf in sheep's clothing?

[TsukinoRei]

 

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Do you think that prison time for spreading any ideology is persecution, or does prison time for spreading Christianity only count as persecution?

 

Are you asking this because you are against calling what these Christians are going through "persecution"? Or are you asking because you think Christians are being selfish for only thinking of their brothers and sisters in this? Or are you asking because you think we Christians are guilty of persecuting others and want to make a point of that? Or . . . what?

 

 

I'm asking because lamenting over the persecution of ourselves is only reasonable if we would also lament over the persecution of others who are not Christians around the world.  Anything less is indeed selfish and a hypocrisy.  Do we love our neighbours as ourselves?  Do we love our enemies?  If Christianity were to become the dominant religion in any of these countries that currently persecute Christians - and then the new Christian dominated government passed a law that sent Muslims to prison for spreading their faith ...

 

On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?

 

Islamic states easilly legislate the persecution of non-Muslims because they base their authority for this and other forms of persecution from the verses of their own Quran as well as the hadith.

 

Not long ago a sheik in Saudi officially approved of the destruction of Christian churches in Arabia based solely on the authority of a hadtih of Muhammad who said there "shall not be two religions on the peninsula of the Arabs".

 

 

You shall not suffer a witch to live... as well as numerous other Old Testament laws which have been abused to recent history and in some cases present day  ...

 

... are not a part of the New Testament.

 

As I already posted, "On exactly what verses in the New Testament could a so-called Christian gov't base your hypothetical law?"

 

BTW, the only time that mosques are destroyed today is when Sunni and Shia Muslims bomb each others' funerals.

 

 

It is my belief that if these people actually read their New Testament, the whole thing, and understood it, they wouldn't be left with a violent leg to stand on.  And yet, there remains people, not only today but throughout history that have read the whole Bible, believe they have understood it, and are still violent.  I think that these people just aren't getting it.  It remains that they identify themselves as Christian.  The civil war between Muslims and Christians in Africa has been ongoing.  If you google Christian terrorists and Christian Militia, or Christian Armies, you will find most of them today are in Africa - kidnapping and training up child soldiers in the name of Christ no less. 

 

I am sure that you must know that there are many people who identify themselves as Christian ...

 

Do you identify yourself as a Christian?

 

Your profile gives no clue as to what religion you are, but you have complained so much about my fellow Christians on this Worthy News forum that I am begining to suspect you're a Muslim posting under a cute Japanese cartoon avatar.

 

Perhaps your avatar should be a wolf in sheep's clothing?

 

 

Read all of my recent posts, particularly ones referencing Jesus and what it means to be in relationship with Him, then tell me if you think that I am a Christian.  Thank you for the compliment on my avatar!  I've hardly looked at my profile.  Perhaps I should.  I don't usually bother with them.  You haven't answered any of my questions yet.  If you answer mine then I will answer more of yours.  I think that's fair.  =o)  Don't you?