5. Commonly Misunderstood Bible Verses (CMBV) Matthew 7:1

[GoldenEagle]

Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Matthew 7:1

 

Can a person do as they please without being judged by other Christians? No. Elsewhere in the Bible Paul judges false teachers. Yet it doesn’t mean we judge self-righteously or hypocritically, but in a consistently biblical manner. Plus, the verses that follow clarify that judgment begins with one’s self.

–Sandra

 

Source: http://www.reasons.org/blogs/take-two/a-look-at-10-or-so-commonly-misunderstood-bible-verses

 

1. What do you think of Matthew 7:1 and judging?

2. Now, go back and read the entire passage in context. What have you learned? See Matthew 7 for context.

 

3. Do you agree or disagree with the comment from reasons.org?

[FreeinChrist]

 

Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Matthew 7:1

 

Can a person do as they please without being judged by other Christians? No. Elsewhere in the Bible Paul judges false teachers. Yet it doesn’t mean we judge self-righteously or hypocritically, but in a consistently biblical manner. Plus, the verses that follow clarify that judgment begins with one’s self.

 

Source: http://www.reasons.org/blogs/take-two/a-look-at-10-or-so-commonly-misunderstood-bible-verses

 

1. What do you think of Matthew 7:1 and judging?

 

2. Now, go back and read the entire passage in context. What have you learned? See Matthew 7 for context. 

 

3. Do you agree or disagree with the comment from reasons.org?

 

 

1. GE as you have posted I think it is getting a holier than thou/self righteous judgment.  For Jesus tells us: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.  John 7:24   We are also told by Paul the spiritual judge all things, I Corinthians 2:15 and we are only to judge other putting a stumblingblock in front of other faith, Romans 14:13  So that the believer will judge when someone causes another to falter in faith.

 

2. When I think someone has sinned, I need to make sure I don't have a barn (beam) in my eye concerning that sin, where they have a small splinter (mote).  And when I start to judge other sins know that God will judge mine see James 2:8-13.

 

3. Unforutanely couldn't get the site to come up.  But from what I saw in your post yes I agree.

[bfloydo]

 

Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Matthew 7:1

 

Can a person do as they please without being judged by other Christians? No. Elsewhere in the Bible Paul judges false teachers. Yet it doesn’t mean we judge self-righteously or hypocritically, but in a consistently biblical manner. Plus, the verses that follow clarify that judgment begins with one’s self.

 

Source: http://www.reasons.org/blogs/take-two/a-look-at-10-or-so-commonly-misunderstood-bible-verses

 

1. What do you think of Matthew 7:1 and judging?

2. Now, go back and read the entire passage in context. What have you learned? See Matthew 7 for context.

 

3. Do you agree or disagree with the comment from reasons.org?

 

 1.) I think we should not judge anything God created, except self. If we do, we judge God's purpose in his creations. In self-judgment, reflection, and correction we seek our own purpose which is God's Will for us.

 2.) If we Judge(with our mouth) we push aside God's righteous judgment for our own self-righteous Judgment ... we have become a fool and will stand self-condemned by our own mouth.

 3.) I disagree with the comments, and look to Jesus words and actions to clarify. " Out of your own mouth I will Judge you, you wicked servant " Luke 19:22 " As I hear, I judge: and My Judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me " John 5:30  " consistently biblical manner "?? if this means you know with certainty its God's will for you to Judge, I'll buy it. Otherwise I think its best to do as Jesus said and not Judge.

 It seems to me Jesus gave us the best examples of how to handle ourselves concerning Judgment. 1.) Control your tongue -- keep Judgment of others contained within 2.) If you seek to help another, speak it as a Question, so that they may self - reflect .. and you have avoided Judging 3.) Seek always the lessons to be Learned, for we are told to even Love our enemies.

 Judgments come in the form of statements, and most of the times Jesus spoke statements ... vipers, brood of vipers, white washed tomb stones ect. they where directed at the Teachers/ Preachers of the day............... I believe his words are prophetic and is the case today, and also the reason we are warned that few should strive to Teach, for their judgment will be the harshest.

 We should rebuke sin, Love the sinner, Love our enemies..... for we don't know what God has prepared for anyone's future(including our own) Consider Stephen, ask that the sin of killing him be forgiven. Saul/ Paul was one that witnessed this...many early Christians had to overcome their Judgment of Saul/ Paul. The man Paul was sent to for sight, contended a little but, did as God ask of him...... prayed over his enemy(who given time would become a great ally).

 Blessing "B"

Edited October 28, 2013 by bfloydo

[gdemoss]

I am no judge.  My experience, strength and hope that I gained from sitting on a throne and judging others, especially my brethren, has taught me so.  Nothing tightens the ship like a good bull whip and when I used the whip i was whipped with my own whip until I sat back down in the ship and settled for fellowship instead!  God IS Love.

[GoldenEagle]

 

1. GE as you have posted I think it is getting a holier than thou/self righteous judgment.  For Jesus tells us: Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.  John 7:24   We are also told by Paul the spiritual judge all things, I Corinthians 2:15 and we are only to judge other putting a stumblingblock in front of other faith, Romans 14:13  So that the believer will judge when someone causes another to falter in faith.

 

2. When I think someone has sinned, I need to make sure I don't have a barn (beam) in my eye concerning that sin, where they have a small splinter (mote).  And when I start to judge other sins know that God will judge mine see James 2:8-13.

 

3. Unforutanely couldn't get the site to come up.  But from what I saw in your post yes I agree.

 

 

1. Questions: We may not be able to judge a person's motivation but can we judge the fruit (spirit or flesh) in a person's life? If so, should we do so? (Galatians 5:16-26)

 

2. I agree with you. What if judgement of fruit of a person's life or a blind spot is done in a manner that is gentle, kind, gracious and for the purpose of restoration? (Galatians 6:1-5)

 

3. Check the link out... The above quote in the OP were not my thoughts but I found them here and they made me think:

 

Source: http://www.reasons.org/blogs/take-two/a-look-at-10-or-so-commonly-misunderstood-bible-verses

[GoldenEagle]

 

 1.) I think we should not judge anything God created, except self. If we do, we judge God's purpose in his creations. In self-judgment, reflection, and correction we seek our own purpose which is God's Will for us.

 

 2.) If we Judge(with our mouth) we push aside God's righteous judgment for our own self-righteous Judgment ... we have become a fool and will stand self-condemned by our own mouth.

 3.) I disagree with the comments, and look to Jesus words and actions to clarify. " Out of your own mouth I will Judge you, you wicked servant " Luke 19:22 " As I hear, I judge: and My Judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me " John 5:30  " consistently biblical manner "?? if this means you know with certainty its God's will for you to Judge, I'll buy it. Otherwise I think its best to do as Jesus said and not Judge.

 It seems to me Jesus gave us the best examples of how to handle ourselves concerning Judgment. 1.) Control your tongue -- keep Judgment of others contained within 2.) If you seek to help another, speak it as a Question, so that they may self - reflect .. and you have avoided Judging 3.) Seek always the lessons to be Learned, for we are told to even Love our enemies.

 Judgments come in the form of statements, and most of the times Jesus spoke statements ... vipers, brood of vipers, white washed tomb stones ect. they where directed at the Teachers/ Preachers of the day............... I believe his words are prophetic and is the case today, and also the reason we are warned that few should strive to Teach, for their judgment will be the harshest.

 We should rebuke sin, Love the sinner, Love our enemies..... for we don't know what God has prepared for anyone's future(including our own) Consider Stephen, ask that the sin of killing him be forgiven. Saul/ Paul was one that witnessed this...many early Christians had to overcome their Judgment of Saul/ Paul. The man Paul was sent to for sight, contended a little but, did as God ask of him...... prayed over his enemy(who given time would become a great ally).

 Blessing "B"

 

1. Questions: We may not be able to judge a person's motivation but can we judge the fruit (spirit or flesh) in a person's life? If so, should we do so? (Galatians 5:16-26)

 

Further another question based on what you've said brother: If there is no righteous judgement in the Church (again based on the fruits or evidence in people's lives, actions, and words) how can there be Church disicipline? (Matthew 18:15-20)

 

2. What if we're not judging in self-righteous judgment? What if we're trying (our motivation) to help others see the error of their ways in a spirit of gentlness, kindness, graciousness in an effort to restore a brother or sister to a closer walk with God? (Galatians 6:1-5)

The thoughts on the #3 deserver a seperate post I believe.

[bfloydo]

 

 

 1.) I think we should not judge anything God created, except self. If we do, we judge God's purpose in his creations. In self-judgment, reflection, and correction we seek our own purpose which is God's Will for us.

 

 2.) If we Judge(with our mouth) we push aside God's righteous judgment for our own self-righteous Judgment ... we have become a fool and will stand self-condemned by our own mouth.

 3.) I disagree with the comments, and look to Jesus words and actions to clarify. " Out of your own mouth I will Judge you, you wicked servant " Luke 19:22 " As I hear, I judge: and My Judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me " John 5:30  " consistently biblical manner "?? if this means you know with certainty its God's will for you to Judge, I'll buy it. Otherwise I think its best to do as Jesus said and not Judge.

 It seems to me Jesus gave us the best examples of how to handle ourselves concerning Judgment. 1.) Control your tongue -- keep Judgment of others contained within 2.) If you seek to help another, speak it as a Question, so that they may self - reflect .. and you have avoided Judging 3.) Seek always the lessons to be Learned, for we are told to even Love our enemies.

 Judgments come in the form of statements, and most of the times Jesus spoke statements ... vipers, brood of vipers, white washed tomb stones ect. they where directed at the Teachers/ Preachers of the day............... I believe his words are prophetic and is the case today, and also the reason we are warned that few should strive to Teach, for their judgment will be the harshest.

 We should rebuke sin, Love the sinner, Love our enemies..... for we don't know what God has prepared for anyone's future(including our own) Consider Stephen, ask that the sin of killing him be forgiven. Saul/ Paul was one that witnessed this...many early Christians had to overcome their Judgment of Saul/ Paul. The man Paul was sent to for sight, contended a little but, did as God ask of him...... prayed over his enemy(who given time would become a great ally).

 Blessing "B"

 

1. Questions: We may not be able to judge a person's motivation but can we judge the fruit (spirit or flesh) in a person's life? If so, should we do so? (Galatians 5:16-26)

 

Further another question based on what you've said brother: If there is no righteous judgement in the Church (again based on the fruits or evidence in people's lives, actions, and words) how can there be Church disicipline? (Matthew 18:15-20)

 

2. What if we're not judging in self-righteous judgment? What if we're trying (our motivation) to help others see the error of their ways in a spirit of gentlness, kindness, graciousness in an effort to restore a brother or sister to a closer walk with God? (Galatians 6:1-5)

The thoughts on the #3 deserver a seperate post I believe.

 

 My main suggestion was to follow the examples Jesus used very often.... To ask questions, of those we seek to help... so that they can self-reflect and see the error of their ways... as was the case in the adulteress who many sought to judge and stone but, walked away after self reflection and Judged not. Asking questions helps us gain better understanding of those we seek to help, and in Truth only the individual we seek to help can change themselves... it is my belief a question is better received and taken inside for reasoning than Judgment.

 I confess I really don't know what a church is. Is it the synagogues Jesus and many apostles preached in? Is it the 1st formation in the 300"s that sought to unify the roman empire's religion and kill all that kept or preached other Gospels? Is it the church that ruled during the inquisition? Should I question why many of Paul's writing's where canonized and none of the Gospels that promoted individual relationships got included? Is "the church" one of the hierarchy's in the 30,000 plus fractions of Christian denominations ? It is easy to get confused, especially when you consider all the language translations and then add on top of that at least 40+ different interpretations(Biblegateway.com)(May God help us if there is ever a Politically Correct version...lol)...... On top of this, one must ask the motivation for these changes and sort thru what maybe Leaven...... I choose to believe in a personal relationship and Jesus promise of "the Spirit of Truth"  I also look forward to God's promise in Jeremiah 31:34 a time when contentions are put to rest, and churches, teachers/ preachers, will not be needed for all will know the Lord from the least to the greatest.

[GoldenEagle]

 3.) I disagree with the comments, and look to Jesus words and actions to clarify. " Out of your own mouth I will Judge you, you wicked servant " Luke 19:22 " As I hear, I judge: and My Judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me " John 5:30  " consistently biblical manner "?? if this means you know with certainty its God's will for you to Judge, I'll buy it. Otherwise I think its best to do as Jesus said and not Judge.

 

 

The context of Luke 19:22…

 

Luke 19:20-23

²⁰ “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. ²¹ For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ ²² And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. ²³ Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

So I believe in context it really has to do with a servant who wastes his talents and/or resources. The servant didn’t even put money in a bank that the master might collect interest. The judgment was because the servant said “you collect what you did not deposit, and you reap what you did not sow.” (vs 21) So really I don’t see how, in context, this can be about judging people by their actions, words, or fruit.

Re: John 5:30 If we’re seeking the will of God we should be able to discern a person through their fruit – flesh or of the spirit. Don’t you think?

[GoldenEagle]

 

 It seems to me Jesus gave us the best examples of how to handle ourselves concerning Judgment. 1.) Control your tongue -- keep Judgment of others contained within 2.) If you seek to help another, speak it as a Question, so that they may self - reflect .. and you have avoided Judging 3.) Seek always the lessons to be Learned, for we are told to even Love our enemies.

 

1. “keep Judgment of others contained within” So if we know something to be wrong (i.e. a brother is in habitual sin) we shouldn’t judge that they need to be challenged and leave the results up to God? I do agree we should control our tongues and in particular not speak in anger.

 

2. Depending on the tone of the question it can be taken as judgement. However, I do see what you mean. Questions are always less accusatory and more inquisitive in nature.

 

3. I agree we’re to learn from all things but particularly God’s Word – the greatest command is love God and love people. Sometimes loves means confronting others and not passively standing by. Our job as Believers is to warn others of their folly and leave the results up to God. If I see someone drowning because they're not attempting to float shouldn't I at least warn them?

Interesting discussion.

[GoldenEagle]

 

 Judgments come in the form of statements, and most of the times Jesus spoke statements ... vipers, brood of vipers, white washed tomb stones ect. they where directed at the Teachers/ Preachers of the day............... I believe his words are prophetic and is the case today, and also the reason we are warned that few should strive to Teach, for their judgment will be the harshest.

 

 

Jesus spoke stern warnings to some. His statements were made for those who thought they were something (teachers of the law who thought their own righteousness could save them) to realize in God’s eyes everyone is the same – sin is still sin even if it packaged differently. Denying their need for a Savior (Messiah) by counting on their own justification instead of relying on Jesus’s was their biggest sin. What do you think?