Belief Systems / Religion / Traditions of Men

[JohnD]

Some ask why God things the way he did in history. To give mankind true choice, for one. And to deal with the human ability / capacity to believe untruth AS truth DESPITE all the evidence in fact against what they hold to be true. I suppose the biggest and IMHO the stupidest one is "there is no absolute truth." <--- which is a statement of absolute truth to those who believe it. If it were true then how could they say it is true because it cancels itself out.

 

Even in the Body Christian we have division and splits and denominations and whatnot and I don't know what all because we choose to make our own beliefs more authoritative than the Bible. 

 

Mark 7:7-13 essentially says these traditions of man nullify the Word of God.

 

Now there are some blatant errors in beliefs out there, Mormons, JW's, Jews who reject Jesus as the Messiah, etc. etc. But there are in the household of God Christians who teach many many things contrary to the Bible and they will blast you from their doctrinal canons if you dare challenge them especially with scripture.

 

This is all why God gave the Law first and went through a religious system (Judaism) first, to get this gobbledygook out of the way and get to the heart of faith in Christ. 

 

God's essential message to man is there are only two ways:

 

God's way

 

not God's way

 

That's it. If you choose to follow the traditions of men (no matter how long held by a church or denomination whatever) you are in the not God's way side of the ledger and at the top of it is the name Satan.

 

This is how and why Jesus called Peter Satan in Matthew 16:23 in stark contrast to Matthew 16:17. Note the difference (verse 17 God's way verse 23 not God's way).

 

This is true about all human philosophies...

 

James 4:4 (NASB95)
4 You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

 

'Satan' means opposer / enemy.  It's hard for us to face the truth sometimes that any of our deviations from God and God's way is actually satanic... even among believers (and / or alleged believers) in Christ.

 

 

 

[nebula]

Hi, I think you mistyped the first sentence? Please clarify what you meant. Thanks!

 

"Some ask why God things the way he did in history."

 

 

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"If you choose to follow the traditions of men (no matter how long held by a church or denomination whatever) you are in the not God's way side of the ledger and at the top of it is the name Satan."

 

OK, I am sure we can all agree on this.

 

The problem is what you may call "God's way", someone else will call "a tradition of man". I've been in enough debates to see this happen all the time.

[Guest man]

Any deviation from the Word of God, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem, is a tradition of man. 

[fruitfull77]

By what authority do men change God's laws?

 

Corruption of the Word slowly infiltrated Christianity.

 

What really truly matters is what Jesus really said.

Not what interpretations men give of what He said.

[Guest ninhao]

Any deviation from the Word of God, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem, is a tradition of man. 

 

And a tool of satan

[Qnts2]

Any deviation from the Word of God, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem, is a tradition of man. 

 

Many times, scpripture tells us to do something in generalities. Scripture says it is good and right to worship God. But doesn't tell us how to worship. In a communal setting, where all people involved worship together, it is better to worship in a common way. Since scripture doesn't give us details, men setup a system of communal worship. Since worship is something we should do, but without specifics, we are free to setup our 'tradition'.  

 

In other words, Jesus did not oppose traditions, as long as the traditions did not go against scripture. In reality, Jesus participated in many Jewish traditions without objecting to them. As long as a tradition does not go against scripture, traditions are fine.

[Guest man]

 

Any deviation from the Word of God, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem, is a tradition of man. 

 

Many times, scpripture tells us to do something in generalities. Scripture says it is good and right to worship God. But doesn't tell us how to worship. In a communal setting, where all people involved worship together, it is better to worship in a common way. Since scripture doesn't give us details, men setup a system of communal worship. Since worship is something we should do, but without specifics, we are free to setup our 'tradition'.  

 

In other words, Jesus did not oppose traditions, as long as the traditions did not go against scripture. In reality, Jesus participated in many Jewish traditions without objecting to them. As long as a tradition does not go against scripture, traditions are fine.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more. Traditions that go beyond scripture are traditions of man. 

[Qnts2]

 

 

Any deviation from the Word of God, no matter how small or insignificant it may seem, is a tradition of man. 

 

Many times, scpripture tells us to do something in generalities. Scripture says it is good and right to worship God. But doesn't tell us how to worship. In a communal setting, where all people involved worship together, it is better to worship in a common way. Since scripture doesn't give us details, men setup a system of communal worship. Since worship is something we should do, but without specifics, we are free to setup our 'tradition'.  

 

In other words, Jesus did not oppose traditions, as long as the traditions did not go against scripture. In reality, Jesus participated in many Jewish traditions without objecting to them. As long as a tradition does not go against scripture, traditions are fine.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't agree more. Traditions that go beyond scripture are traditions of man. 

 

Is the festival of lights (feast of dedication) beyond scripture?

[Guest man]

Is the festival of lights (feast of dedication) beyond scripture?

 

 

 

 

I'm not familiar with that festival but I believe you answered that question.

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus did not oppose traditions, as long as the traditions did not go against scripture. In reality, Jesus participated in many Jewish traditions without objecting to them. As long as a tradition does not go against scripture, traditions are fine.

 

[Qnts2]

 

Is the festival of lights (feast of dedication) beyond scripture?

 

 

 

 

I'm not familiar with that festival but I believe you answered that question.

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus did not oppose traditions, as long as the traditions did not go against scripture. In reality, Jesus participated in many Jewish traditions without objecting to them. As long as a tradition does not go against scripture, traditions are fine.

 

 

 

Ok, I was misunderstanding your wording. The feast of dedication (lights) is not in the OT, but Jesus went to the Temple at the time of the festival. The festival is not against scripture, but is outside (or beyond) scripture the way I understood the words you used. The feast of lights (dedication) comes from the book of Maccabees, which is not part of canonized scripture, but is a tradition.