Did God create evil?

[GoldenEagle]

In reference to the three of the knowlege of good and evil, what you have is a  figure of speech known as a merism.  A merism expresses totality in terms of polarity.  When some says that they "searched high and low" they mean they searched everywhere.  The phrase "good and evil"  means "everything."  The tree of the knowledge of everything, both good and evil.

 

The tree wasn't evil. God can't create moral evil because God, is light and there is no darkness in him at all according to 1 John.  So God creates only that which is perfect.  Sin corrupted God's creation but there is no basis in the Bible for making God  the creator of evil is not necessary for knowing or understanding God's character, much less applying God's communicable attributes to our own lives.  If it were a necessary ingredient, God would have engineered moral evil and its consequences (death, pain, suffering disease) into HIs creation, but He didn't. 

Question then: Was sin intentional on God's part? In other words did God create Adam and Eve knowing He would need to send His Son to die for the sins of mankind?

[GoldenEagle]

evil is a by product of free will.  while that does give evil the ability to exist, but it doesn't demand that it exist so from my perspective doesn't create the evil.  i think God would be perfectly happy if everything decided not to express evil.

Isn't this what the new Heaven and new Earth will be about in bold? No sin and no more evil rampart upon the world/universe?

[GoldenEagle]

 

What is the difference between allowing and ordaining evil do you think?

  We are all God's creation and his desire is for us to Love him in "Truth and Spirit" . True Love is manifested in free will emotions and actions... it is not rooted in deceit, manipulation, or lies.

True Love recognizes free will in its desire to be loved, even to the point of being crucified.

God gives us a choice... follow his will, and know it is rooted in his selfless love for us....... or follow our own will, which is rooted in self and evil ways.

 

 I believe God allows for the capacity to do evil but, he does not seek for us to do evil(in fact the bible is one big lesson against evil) or reject his love. I also believe God uses evil actions(that he neither ordered or ordained) to be used as lessons for those of us that seek his will and love. He uses evil to teach goodness.... or he uses mans mistakes to teach other men not to make the same mistakes.

 I guess one could say God created man, man is evil...so God created evil.............. I think he just created capacity for evil or love..... we choose what to fill the vessel with.

 

 

Question: Is God's love selfless love for us or love for His glory? Or possibly both?

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

Does God's goodness change in the event that evil is no longer in existence?

 

And also yes..(Rev 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”) (1 Cor 2:9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”.)

 

I don't see how that represents a change in God's goodness.  It seems to represent a change in the human experience in relation to it, but not in His essential goodness.

 

 

Ah! Perhaps this is the case then?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

In reference to the three of the knowlege of good and evil, what you have is a  figure of speech known as a merism.  A merism expresses totality in terms of polarity.  When some says that they "searched high and low" they mean they searched everywhere.  The phrase "good and evil"  means "everything."  The tree of the knowledge of everything, both good and evil.

 

The tree wasn't evil. God can't create moral evil because God, is light and there is no darkness in him at all according to 1 John.  So God creates only that which is perfect.  Sin corrupted God's creation but there is no basis in the Bible for making God  the creator of evil is not necessary for knowing or understanding God's character, much less applying God's communicable attributes to our own lives.  If it were a necessary ingredient, God would have engineered moral evil and its consequences (death, pain, suffering disease) into HIs creation, but He didn't. 

Question then: Was sin intentional on God's part? In other words did God create Adam and Eve knowing He would need to send His Son to die for the sins of mankind?

 

He knew that before He ever created the world.  He wouldn't be omnscient if he didn't know it.  The Bible says that Jesus is the Lamb considered slain before the foundation of the world.

 

God knew what would happen, but He didn't engineer sin into creation.  He didn't cause Adam and Eve to sin.

[Guest DRS81]

 

 

Does God's goodness change in the event that evil is no longer in existence?

 

And also yes..(Rev 21:4 He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”) (1 Cor 2:9 But, as it is written, “What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”.)

 

I don't see how that represents a change in God's goodness.  It seems to represent a change in the human experience in relation to it, but not in His essential goodness.

 

 

God's goodness will be the same now and forever. I was just bringing to conversation the glory we have yet to experience in order that shiloh357 might smile today, because it's monday and garfield hate's mondays. haha. 

[GoldenEagle]

 

 

In reference to the three of the knowlege of good and evil, what you have is a  figure of speech known as a merism.  A merism expresses totality in terms of polarity.  When some says that they "searched high and low" they mean they searched everywhere.  The phrase "good and evil"  means "everything."  The tree of the knowledge of everything, both good and evil.

 

The tree wasn't evil. God can't create moral evil because God, is light and there is no darkness in him at all according to 1 John.  So God creates only that which is perfect.  Sin corrupted God's creation but there is no basis in the Bible for making God  the creator of evil is not necessary for knowing or understanding God's character, much less applying God's communicable attributes to our own lives.  If it were a necessary ingredient, God would have engineered moral evil and its consequences (death, pain, suffering disease) into HIs creation, but He didn't. 

Question then: Was sin intentional on God's part? In other words did God create Adam and Eve knowing He would need to send His Son to die for the sins of mankind?

 

He knew that before He ever created the world.  He wouldn't be omnscient if he didn't know it.  The Bible says that Jesus is the Lamb considered slain before the foundation of the world.

 

God knew what would happen, but He didn't engineer sin into creation.  He didn't cause Adam and Eve to sin.

 

 

This is true. 3 Questions then...

So did God create Adam and Eve knowing they would reject Him? If so, why?

Did God create people knowing they would reject Him? If so, why?

 

Did God create fallen angels knowing they would rebel against Him? If so, why?

[Guest DRS81]

So did God create Adam and Eve knowing they would reject Him? If so, why?

Did God create people knowing they would reject Him? If so, why?

Did God create fallen angels knowing they would rebel against Him? If so, why?

 

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

In reference to the three of the knowlege of good and evil, what you have is a  figure of speech known as a merism.  A merism expresses totality in terms of polarity.  When some says that they "searched high and low" they mean they searched everywhere.  The phrase "good and evil"  means "everything."  The tree of the knowledge of everything, both good and evil.

 

The tree wasn't evil. God can't create moral evil because God, is light and there is no darkness in him at all according to 1 John.  So God creates only that which is perfect.  Sin corrupted God's creation but there is no basis in the Bible for making God  the creator of evil is not necessary for knowing or understanding God's character, much less applying God's communicable attributes to our own lives.  If it were a necessary ingredient, God would have engineered moral evil and its consequences (death, pain, suffering disease) into HIs creation, but He didn't. 

Question then: Was sin intentional on God's part? In other words did God create Adam and Eve knowing He would need to send His Son to die for the sins of mankind?

 

He knew that before He ever created the world.  He wouldn't be omnscient if he didn't know it.  The Bible says that Jesus is the Lamb considered slain before the foundation of the world.

 

God knew what would happen, but He didn't engineer sin into creation.  He didn't cause Adam and Eve to sin.

 

 

This is true. 3 Questions then...

So did God create Adam and Eve knowing they would reject Him? If so, why?

Did God create people knowing they would reject Him? If so, why?

 

Did God create fallen angels knowing they would rebel against Him? If so, why?

 

Those are good questions, but I am not sure the Bible gives us enough light to give an answer without speculation.

[other one]

Question then: Was sin intentional on God's part? In other words did God create Adam and Eve knowing He would need to send His Son to die for the sins of mankind?

 

yes