Is it possible to walk away from every temptation

[Guest man]

 

 

20For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

2 Peter 2

 

21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

 

 

 

What's the only way to escape the pollutions of the world?

 

 

these, men may escape, abstain from, and outwardly reform, with respect unto, and yet be destitute of the grace of God; so that this can be no instance of the final and total apostasy of real saints; for the house may be swept and garnished with an external reformation; persons may be outwardly righteous before men, have a form of godliness and a name to live, and yet be dead in trespasses and sins; all which they may have

 

 

That's true, but that's not what Peter said. He said they had actually "escaped" the pollution's of the world. He didn't say they gave the appearance of escaping, but that they actually escaped. 

 

They only way to escape the pollutions of the world is through Christ Jesus. 

 

And as I told Bopeep, the beginning indicates nonbelief. I think everyone can agree that nonbelievers will have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. In the end they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Now if the latter end is worst than the beginning, what's worst than being cast into the Lake of Fire?

 

Ask yourself that. What could be worst?

[Guest man]

 

 

Then why did you say that a believer that does evil is not really doing evil, but that they doing witchcraft?  

 

 

Because the believer is no longer of the world. (Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.) (1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.)

 

 

 

 

 

If the believer is no longer a part of the world, what are they doing practicing witchcraft?

 

 

 

 

If a believer does evil, it's not evil per say...rather it's called witchcraft.

 

[Guest DRS81]

 

 

 

20For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

2 Peter 2

 

21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

 

 

 

What's the only way to escape the pollutions of the world?

 

 

these, men may escape, abstain from, and outwardly reform, with respect unto, and yet be destitute of the grace of God; so that this can be no instance of the final and total apostasy of real saints; for the house may be swept and garnished with an external reformation; persons may be outwardly righteous before men, have a form of godliness and a name to live, and yet be dead in trespasses and sins; all which they may have

 

 

That's true, but that's not what Peter said. He said they had actually "escaped" the pollution's of the world. He didn't say they gave the appearance of escaping, but that they actually escaped. 

 

They only way to escape the pollutions of the world is through Christ Jesus. 

 

And as I told Bopeep, the beginning indicates nonbelief. I think everyone can agree that nonbelievers will have no part in the Kingdom of Heaven. In the end they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Now if the latter end is worst than the beginning, what's worst than being cast into the Lake of Fire?

 

Ask yourself that. What could be worst?

 

 

Actually, that's a really good scripture there. You're right, Jesus Christ is the only escape. But when they say latter end is worse than the beginning, they're not talking about hell. Of course hell is the worst. What they're referring too is sinning to the point of numbing your conscience, to where sin is acceptable and the grace of God is empty. For example, a person who's been sinning for five years is worse off in the fifth year than he was in the first year.

[Guest DRS81]

 

 

 

Then why did you say that a believer that does evil is not really doing evil, but that they doing witchcraft?  

 

 

Because the believer is no longer of the world. (Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.) (1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.)

 

 

 

 

 

If the believer is no longer a part of the world, what are they doing practicing witchcraft?

 

 

 

 

 

If a believer does evil, it's not evil per say...rather it's called witchcraft.

 

 

 

What are they doing practicing witchcraft? Temptation man, temptation! We're still apart of this fallen world. Believers are in the world, but not of the world. But that doesn't mean the devil is stupid. The devil hates believers MORE than nonbelievers, because believers bring people into God's kingdom through the gospel. Read here..Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.

 

according to the prince of the power of the air: http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/ephesians-2-2.html

which is not to be understood of any supposed power the devil has over the air, by divine permission, to raise winds, but of a posse, or body of devils, who have their residence in the air; for it was not only the notion of the Jews F13, that there are noxious and accusing spirits, who fly about (rywab) , "in the air", and that there is no space between the earth and the firmament free, and that the whole is full of a multitude of them; but also it was the opinion of the Chaldeans {n}, and of Pythagoras F15, and Plato F16, that the air is full of demons: now there is a prince who is at the head of these, called Beelzebub, the prince of devils, or the lord of a fly, for the devils under him are as so many flies in the air, ( Matthew 12:24 ) and by the Jews called F17, (ayxwrd Nwhbr) , "the prince of spirits"; and is here styled, the Spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience; by which spirit is meant, not the lesser devils that are under the prince, nor the spirit of the world which comes from him, and is not of God; but Satan himself, who is a spirit, and an evil, and an unclean one; and who operates powerfully in unbelievers, for they are meant by children of disobedience, or unbelief; just as (atwnmyhm ynb) , "children of faith", in the Jewish dialect, designs believers; and over these Satan has great influence, especially the reprobate part of them; whose minds he blinds, and whose hearts he fills, and puts it into them to do the worst of crimes; and indeed, he has great power over the elect themselves, while in unbelief, and leads them captive at his will; and these may be said in their unregeneracy to walk after him, when they imitate him, and do his lusts, and comply with what he suggests, dictates to them, or tempts them to.

 

[Guest man]

Actually, that's a really good scripture there. You're right, Jesus Christ is the only escape. But when they say latter end is worse than the beginning, they're not talking about hell. Of course hell is the worst. What they're referring too is sinning to the point of numbing your conscience, to where sin is acceptable and the grace of God is empty. For example, a person who's been sinning for five years is worse off in the fifth year than he was in the first year.

 

 

 

Peter's not talking about believers. Look what it says. "They have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ".  They became believers. They escaped the embrace of the world. 

 

Now look what it says about those believers. "They are again entangle in them and overcome". It's obvious that Peter is referencing the pollutions of the world. What else could "them" mean?

 

 

"Worst than the beginning" is referencing the condition and judgment of believers before they were believers.

 

 

 

2 Peter 2

20For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

 

[Guest man]

 

 

 

 

Then why did you say that a believer that does evil is not really doing evil, but that they doing witchcraft?  

 

 

Because the believer is no longer of the world. (Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.) (1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.)

 

 

 

 

 

If the believer is no longer a part of the world, what are they doing practicing witchcraft?

 

 

 

 

 

If a believer does evil, it's not evil per say...rather it's called witchcraft.

 

 

 

What are they doing practicing witchcraft? Temptation man, temptation! We're still apart of this fallen world. Believers are in the world, but not of the world. But that doesn't mean the devil is stupid. The devil hates believers MORE than nonbelievers, because believers bring people into God's kingdom through the gospel. Read here..Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.

 

 

That's not true. We have to live in this world but we're not a part of it. And giving in to temptation is not a valid excuse for practicing witchcraft. If you are practicing witchcraft then yes, you are of the world. If you are a willful practitioner of witchcraft, you can no longer be considered a child of God. Those are the facts, like it or not.

[Guest DRS81]

Peter's not talking about believers. Look what it says. "They have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ".  They became believers. They escaped the embrace of the world. 

 

Now look what it says about those believers. "They are again entangle in them and overcome". It's obvious that Peter is referencing the pollutions of the world. What else could "them" mean?

 

 

"Worst than the beginning" is referencing the condition and judgment of believers before they were believers.

 

 

 

2 Peter 2

20For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning.

 

 

 

I think you're right there because have knowledge of Jesus and faith of Jesus is different. Salvation comes through faith. Let's focus on this "knowledge"..

 

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

 

through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/2-peter-2-20.html

The Vulgate Latin, and all the Oriental versions, read, our Lord, and the latter leave out, "and Saviour"; by which "knowledge" is meant, not a spiritual experimental knowledge of Christ, for that is eternal life, the beginning, pledge, and earnest of it; but a notional knowledge of Christ, or a profession of knowledge of him, for it may be rendered "acknowledgment"; or rather the Gospel of Christ, which, being only notionally received, may have such an effect on men, as outwardly to reform their lives, at least in some instances, and for a while, in whose hearts it has no place. Now if, after all this knowledge and reformation,

 

Notional - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/notional?s=t

 

Wow, this scripture IS talking about apostates/nonbelievers. Remember when I said believing is either in the heart or it isn't? "in whose hearts it has no place". Wow. Good look man.

[Guest DRS81]

That's not true. We have to live in this world but we're not a part of it. And giving in to temptation is not a valid excuse for practicing witchcraft. If you are practicing witchcraft then yes, you are of the world. If you are a willful practitioner of witchcraft, you can no longer be considered a child of God. Those are the facts, like it or not.

 

That commentary is just speaking about the believer not repenting.

The believer will eventually repent if he is truly indwelled with the holy spirit.

The commentary is showing you that the devil still has power,

but we as believers have authority to cast out devils.

Praise God.

[Guest man]

 

I think you're right there because have knowledge of Jesus and faith of Jesus is different. Salvation comes through faith. Let's focus on this "knowledge"..

 

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

 

 

You're right, it is different. But you're ignoring the obvious. One cannot escape the pollutions of the world without faith in Christ Jesus.

[Guest man]

 

That's not true. We have to live in this world but we're not a part of it. And giving in to temptation is not a valid excuse for practicing witchcraft. If you are practicing witchcraft then yes, you are of the world. If you are a willful practitioner of witchcraft, you can no longer be considered a child of God. Those are the facts, like it or not.

 

That commentary is just speaking about the believer not repenting.

The believer will eventually repent if he is truly indwelled with the holy spirit.

The commentary is showing you that the devil still has power,

but we as believers have authority to cast out devils.

Praise God.

 

 

 

If the believer was truly indwelled with the Holy Spirit, do you seriously believe they'd be practicing witchcraft?