Is it possible to walk away from every temptation

[Guest man]

You know, I can't tell you how many beliefs I let go of since coming to this site. I'm not trying win an argument here. All I want you to do is consider the things I put forth tonight. 

[Guest DRS81]

 

 

I think you're right there because have knowledge of Jesus and faith of Jesus is different. Salvation comes through faith. Let's focus on this "knowledge"..

 

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

 

 

You're right, it is different. But you're ignoring the obvious. One cannot escape the pollutions of the world without faith in Christ Jesus.

 

 

Oh I totally agree. Faith is the only way to salvation.

 

If the believer was truly indwelled with the Holy Spirit, do you seriously believe they'd be practicing witchcraft?

 

They can be into witchcraft and not even know it man. That's why it's important to pray and stay close to God every day. For example, I myself was really deep into found footage horror movies. I didn't realize the devil was behind those movies until like 2 years later, and I finally repented. The Bible says the devil is the father of lies and a deceiver. The devil can also mix truth with lies. He's a sneaky little bastard.

[Guest man]

 

 

 

I think you're right there because have knowledge of Jesus and faith of Jesus is different. Salvation comes through faith. Let's focus on this "knowledge"..

 

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

 

 

You're right, it is different. But you're ignoring the obvious. One cannot escape the pollutions of the world without faith in Christ Jesus.

 

 

Oh I totally agree. Faith is the only way to salvation.

 

 

 

Does that passage support the doctrine of OSAS?

 

There's no need to respond to that question. We both know what the answer is.

 

Just think about it.

[Guest man]

[Guest DRS81]

Does that passage support the doctrine of OSAS?

 

There's no need to respond to that question. We both know what the answer is.

 

Just think about it.

 

I found more commentaries that are helpful...wow there's a lot of them.

I believe 2 Peter 2:20 is talking about the apostate/nonbeliever...http://biblehub.com/2_peter/2-20.htm - Biblehub is awesome!

 

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

2:17-22 The word of truth is the water of life, which refreshes the souls that receive it; but deceivers spread and promote error, and are set forth as empty, because there is no truth in them. As clouds hinder the light of the sun, so do these darken counsel by words wherein there is no truth. Seeing that these men increase darkness in this world, it is very just that the mist of darkness should be their portion in the next. In the midst of their talk of liberty, these men are the vilest slaves; their own lusts gain a complete victory over them, and they are actually in bondage. When men are entangled, they are easily overcome; therefore Christians should keep close to the word of God, and watch against all who seek to bewilder them. A state of apostacy is worse than a state of ignorance. To bring an evil report upon the good way of God, and a false charge against the way of truth, must expose to the heaviest condemnation. How dreadful is the state here described! Yet though such a case is deplorable, it is not utterly hopeless; the leper may be made clean, and even the dead may be raised. Is thy backsliding a grief to thee? Believe in the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved.

 

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world - This does not necessarily mean that they had been true Christians, and had fallen from grace. People may outwardly reform, and escape from the open corruptions which prevail around them, or which they had themselves practiced, and still have no true grace at heart.

Through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesses Christ - Neither does This imply that they were true Christians, or that they had ever had any saving knowledge of the Redeemer. There is a knowledge of the doctrines and duties of religion which may lead sinners to abandon their outward vices, which has no connection with saving grace. They may profess religion, and may Know enough of religion to understand that it requires them to abandon their vicious habits, and still never be true Christians.

They are again entangled therein and overcome - The word rendered "entangled," (ἐμπλέκω emplekō,) from which is derived our word "implicate," means to braid in, to interweave; then to involve in, to entangle. It means here that they become implicated in those vices like an animal that is entangled in a net.

The latter end is worse with them than the beginning - This is usually the case. Apostates become worse than they were before their professed conversion. "Reformed" drunkards, if they go back to their "cups" again, become more abandoned than ever. Thus, it is with those who have been addicted to any habits of vice, and who profess to become religious, and then fall away. The "reasons" for this may be:

(1) that they are willing now to show to others that they are no longer under the restraints by which they had professedly bound themselves;

(2) that God gives them up to indulgence with fewer restraints than formerly; and,

(3) their old companions in sin may be at special pains to court their society, and to lead them into temptation, in order to obtain a triumph over virtue and religion.

 

[Guest man]

 

Does that passage support the doctrine of OSAS?

 

There's no need to respond to that question. We both know what the answer is.

 

Just think about it.

 

I found more commentaries that are helpful...wow there's a lot of them.

 

 

Actually what you found are the devil's lies.

 

I asked you if that passage supported your OSAS doctrine. Instead of thinking about it, you went looking for reasons not too. 

[Guest man]

Hebrews 10

26For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

27but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

[Guest man]

Revelation 3

16So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

[Guest man]

Matthew 7

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

[Guest man]

James 5

19Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,

20let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.