Is it possible to walk away from every temptation

[Guest man]

Romans 11

19You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."

20Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.

21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

22Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

[Guest man]

Revelation 3

5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

[Guest man]

I just gave you 6 passages from the Word of God that shows your OSAS doctrine is false. Seven with the one from 2 Peter.

 

Your commentaries were written by men, the author of the bible is God.

 

In whom do you put your trust?

[Guest shiloh357]

I just gave you 6 passages from the Word of God that shows your OSAS doctrine is false. Seven with the one from 2 Peter.

 

Your commentaries were written by men, the author of the bible is God.

 

In whom do you put your trust?

Actually none of the passages you presented address OSAS much less call it false.  Let's look at them:

Romans 11

19You will say then, "Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in."

20Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.

21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.

22Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

 

That passage is not talking about salvation.   Being "grafted in" is not a metaphor for salvation, and so being "cut off" isn't about losing salvation.   Paul is talking about Jews and Gentiles participation in the external community of believers.  He is not talking about being cut off from salvation.  The issue of Romans 11 is the relationship of the Church to Israel, not about how people are saved from sin.

 

 

Hebrews 10

26For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

27but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

 

This passage is referencing those who have received and acknowleged the truth but choose to remain in their sin.   It is not talking about people who were actually saved. There are many sinners who receive the knowledge of the truth, but choose to remain in sin.  They love sin more than they love the truth, and even though they know Jesus is the Savior and even though they know they need Jesus, they reject him anyway and continue to willfully remain separated from God and live in their sin.

Matthew 7

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

 

This is not talking  about beleivers but people whom Jesus said NEVER knew, meaning they were never saved to start with.  They are false prophets who allegedly did great things for God, but they were deceived.   This actually aimed at the pharisees.

Revelation 3

5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

 

  Here is is talking about those who "overcome."   The Bible says in I John 5:4-5 tells us that those who are overcomers are those who have put their trust in Jesus.   So when Jesus talks about those who "overcome" he is referring to those who put their faith in Him. 

 

So  according to Jesus, those who put their faith in Him, will be clothed in white garments and will not have their names blotted out of the book of life.   The phrase "I will not" in the Greek is a double negative.  It reads in Greek, "I will not, no, never."   

 

So this verse affirms eternal secuirty when we read it for what it says, "He who puts his faith in me, will be clothed in white garments I will not, no, never blot his name from the book of life." 

 

Revelation 3

16So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

 

This passage is written to an entire church, not to an idvidual.  Jesus is not talking about their salvation, but their standing as a congregation.   He is not saying they are not Christans, but he is telling them that they make Him want to vomit.  He is using the strongest imagery possible.  

James 5

19Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back,

20let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.

 

This is referring to those who stray into doctrinal error.  The word for souls "psysche" is referring to one's life.  The idea is that straying into doctrinal error could lead to physical death.  Given the kinds of doctrinal error that existed in the first century, that would be more true, perhaps than we have a point of reference for here in our modern experience.   It is not talking about salvation from sin because only Jesus can save a person from sin, so this is not saying that if I lead a person into doctrinal truth, they can be saved by virtue of that.   That would be false teaching about salvation.

 

Not every use of the word "saved" or "salvation" is talking about salvation from sin.  Salvation is used five different ways in the NT and three of those uses refer to physical restoration, preservation and deliverance.  So there are three physical contexts connected to salvation and we need to look at a passage and the context to see which it is referring to.  This passage is about saving the physical life of a fellow believer.

 

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

 

Notice that is not talking about salvation.  What you have here are people who had a mental knowledge of Jesus and even participated in the external community for a while, but then sin overtook them and they went back to their former lifestyle.

 

Being a believer in Jesus is not about behavioral reform.  You can reform for a little while but if you have not been born again, you won't last.   The reason we have so many people who fall away back into sin, is that they were external participants, but never truly changed people.   The Bible says that if we truly belong to Jesus, if we are under His grace, sin shall not have dominion over us.  Peter in this entire chapter is talking about false teachers their misguided disciples, who are like dogs that return to their vomit and end up in a worse state of sin than  before. 

[Guest man]

Being a believer in Jesus is not about behavioral reform.  You can reform for a little while but if you have not been born again, you won't last.   The reason we have so many people who fall away back into sin, is that they were external participants, but never truly changed people.   The Bible says that if we truly belong to Jesus, if we are under His grace, sin shall not have dominion over us.  Peter in this entire chapter is talking about false teachers their misguided disciples, who are like dogs that return to their vomit and end up in a worse state of sin than  before. 

 

 

1 John 2

6He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

 

 

1 Peter 2

21For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

[Guest man]

 

2 Peter 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

 

Notice that is not talking about salvation.  What you have here are people who had a mental knowledge of Jesus and even participated in the external community for a while, but then sin overtook them and they went back to their former lifestyle.

 

 

 

There's only one way to escape the pollutions of the world. To say we are able to do it on our own is to say the Blood of Jesus is unnecessary. 

[Guest man]

 

Revelation 3

5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

 

  Here is is talking about those who "overcome."   The Bible says in I John 5:4-5 tells us that those who are overcomers are those who have put their trust in Jesus.   So when Jesus talks about those who "overcome" he is referring to those who put their faith in Him. 

 

So  according to Jesus, those who put their faith in Him, will be clothed in white garments and will not have their names blotted out of the book of life.   The phrase "I will not" in the Greek is a double negative.  It reads in Greek, "I will not, no, never."   

 

So this verse affirms eternal secuirty when we read it for what it says, "He who puts his faith in me, will be clothed in white garments I will not, no, never blot his name from the book of life." 

 

 

The implication is there that names can indeed be removed from the Book of Life.

[Guest man]

 

Matthew 7

21"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

22Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'

23And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

 

This is not talking  about beleivers but people whom Jesus said NEVER knew, meaning they were never saved to start with.  They are false prophets who allegedly did great things for God, but they were deceived.   This actually aimed at the pharisees.

 

 

Of course it is. Why would nonbelievers be doing all those works? 

 

Those people fully expected to get into heaven, which made them believers.

 

The OSAS doctrine states that all one has to do is believe. This passage makes it clear that that is not the case. OSAS is a lie.

[Guest man]

 

Hebrews 10

26For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

27but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

 

This passage is referencing those who have received and acknowleged the truth but choose to remain in their sin.   It is not talking about people who were actually saved. There are many sinners who receive the knowledge of the truth, but choose to remain in sin.  They love sin more than they love the truth, and even though they know Jesus is the Savior and even though they know they need Jesus, they reject him anyway and continue to willfully remain separated from God and live in their sin.

 

 

The author of Hebrews was referencing believers because he included himself when he stated "we". "If we willfully sin..."

[Guest man]

Those verses are self explanatory. No amount of twisting can get them to say anything other than what they say.