Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Look harder. You see something I don't. Show me what you see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Look harder. You see something I don't. Show me what you see. Read his posts man, study what he's saying. He doesn't believe in OSAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 If one is committing willful sin, how can they be considered to be "in Christ Jesus"? Willful sin is the cause of a fallen world. The only perfect being was Jesus Christ. That's why we are covered in his blood. No one's talking about being perfect. I'm talking about committing willful sin. If you commit willful and expect the Lord to forgive those sins, what you're doing is tempting the Lord. And you expect the blood of the Lord to cover those willful sins, you are trampling on that blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.82 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6, 2014 If one is committing willful sin, how can they be considered to be "in Christ Jesus"? Willful sin is the cause of a fallen world. The only perfect being was Jesus Christ. That's why we are covered in his blood. No one's talking about being perfect. I'm talking about committing willful sin. If you commit willful and expect the Lord to forgive those sins, what you're doing is tempting the Lord. And you expect the blood of the Lord to cover those willful sins, you are trampling on that blood. You can not mock God.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Look harder. You see something I don't. Show me what you see. Read his posts man, study what he's saying. He doesn't believe in OSAS. I don't believe in it either. It's a false doctrine that the devil set up to snare the lazy and weak minded. I've read his post 3 times. Show me where he states that we depend on works to get into heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 No one's talking about being perfect. I'm talking about committing willful sin. If you commit willful and expect the Lord to forgive those sins, what you're doing is tempting the Lord. And you expect the blood of the Lord to cover those willful sins, you are trampling on that blood. I'll give you a good example. Say a believer falls into a willful sin, then two weeks later he suddenly dies in a car crash before repenting. That believer still goes to heaven. The forgiveness of God is not the same as the forgiveness of man. It's apples and oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DRS81 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't believe in it either. It's a false doctrine that the devil set up to snare the lazy and weak minded. OSAS is not a false doctrine man, since we can die at any moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 No one's talking about being perfect. I'm talking about committing willful sin. If you commit willful and expect the Lord to forgive those sins, what you're doing is tempting the Lord. And you expect the blood of the Lord to cover those willful sins, you are trampling on that blood. I'll give you a good example. Say a believer falls into a willful sin, then two weeks later he suddenly dies in a car crash before repenting. That believer still goes to heaven. The forgiveness of God is not the same as the forgiveness of man. It's apples and oranges. So again, you're saying believers can commit willful sins without fear of repercussions. You're saying it doesn't matter if we repent or not because in the end we go to heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted January 6, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,688 Content Per Day: 11.82 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 6, 2014 Do you believe that you can get out of the will of God and then go to hell if you are a believer?Have you ever heard of "being put on the shelf?". I think I heard this from Dr.Charles Stanley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I don't believe in it either. It's a false doctrine that the devil set up to snare the lazy and weak minded. OSAS is not a false doctrine man, since we can die at any moment. And that means what? What does dying at any moment have to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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