alphaparticle Posted January 21, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 21, 2014 I kept wishing someone would come up with a Kirk vs. Q episode. (Perhaps we could call it "The Battle of the Egos".) Does Q still have superpowers? because, I don't see how Kirk could defeat him in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I kept wishing someone would come up with a Kirk vs. Q episode. (Perhaps we could call it "The Battle of the Egos".) Does Q still have superpowers? because, I don't see how Kirk could defeat him in that scenario. Q is about playing a battle of wits, using his powers to outmaneuver and outwit his opponent, but not to destroy or immobilize them. That is, Q creates the challenge, and his opponent wins by overcoming the challenge. Thus Q as a being was never defeated in these encounters, only his challenge was defeated. Picard overcame the challenges Q put him through. But for some reason Q's pleasure was in how he was able to get under Picard's skin more than in not being defeated. If you saw the episode where Q was on DS9, there was a scene where Sisco hit Q. Q was shocked because, "Picard never hit me!" Sisco responded, "I'm not Picard." Then Q smiled at the realization that Sisco is more easily angered, and contemplated how much fun he would have with that. Knowing the way Kirk deals with challenges, I can imagine Kirk giving Q a run for his money he had not encountered before (Kirk excels in the battle of wits). So, that's how Kirk would "defeat" him. As for powers, yes Q still has them. However, the writers softened Q, first when the other Q decided to punish Q by stripping his powers and the Enterprise crew saved his life (Q's powers were restored by the end of the episode) and further from his encounters with Voyager. But since Kirk's time was before then, he'd be tackling the Q as we first knew him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WebFisher Posted January 22, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 51 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/19/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/25/1968 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I would like to see Q versus the beings in the Wormhole outside DS9... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I would like to see Q versus the beings in the Wormhole outside DS9... The Dominion? Yeah, that would be one time I'd want to see the arrogant Q get the better of the arrogant victims of his games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted January 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I would like to see Q versus the beings in the Wormhole outside DS9... The Dominion? Yeah, that would be one time I'd want to see the arrogant Q get the better of the arrogant victims of his games. Let's write to the writers - I wanna see that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaparticle Posted January 23, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,363 Content Per Day: 0.35 Reputation: 403 Days Won: 5 Joined: 08/01/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 23, 2014 I kept wishing someone would come up with a Kirk vs. Q episode. (Perhaps we could call it "The Battle of the Egos".) Does Q still have superpowers? because, I don't see how Kirk could defeat him in that scenario. Q is about playing a battle of wits, using his powers to outmaneuver and outwit his opponent, but not to destroy or immobilize them. That is, Q creates the challenge, and his opponent wins by overcoming the challenge. Thus Q as a being was never defeated in these encounters, only his challenge was defeated. Picard overcame the challenges Q put him through. But for some reason Q's pleasure was in how he was able to get under Picard's skin more than in not being defeated. If you saw the episode where Q was on DS9, there was a scene where Sisco hit Q. Q was shocked because, "Picard never hit me!" Sisco responded, "I'm not Picard." Then Q smiled at the realization that Sisco is more easily angered, and contemplated how much fun he would have with that. Knowing the way Kirk deals with challenges, I can imagine Kirk giving Q a run for his money he had not encountered before (Kirk excels in the battle of wits). So, that's how Kirk would "defeat" him. As for powers, yes Q still has them. However, the writers softened Q, first when the other Q decided to punish Q by stripping his powers and the Enterprise crew saved his life (Q's powers were restored by the end of the episode) and further from his encounters with Voyager. But since Kirk's time was before then, he'd be tackling the Q as we first knew him. Alright, but I have to admit, I never thought Kirk was a particularly wily captain. He always seemed to get carried away by some passion and end up in a fist fight. Defeat of Qs games seems to hinge on rationality ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 23, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Alright, but I have to admit, I never thought Kirk was a particularly wily captain. He always seemed to get carried away by some passion and end up in a fist fight. Defeat of Qs games seems to hinge on rationality ruling. Well, are you familiar with the "Corbomite Maneuver"? Yes, the scripts were set up such that Kirk tended to end in a fist fight (ala Old Westerns), but once in a while the emphasize Kirk's ability to strategize. That's the only way he was able to defeat Khan (in "The Wrath of Khan" movie). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted January 24, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted January 24, 2014 I don't know, I think out of all the characters in all the Star Trek universe, if anyone could outwit Q and really get underneath his skin, it would be Spock. That's another episode. We should all just pitch this Q series to Paramount. I'm up for writing the scripts. Such a cool idea! If only... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Ha-ha! I can just imagine the episode being centered, or at least have a running them of, Q trying to get some emotional expression out of Spock (the original Spock, not the rebooted one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCurseOfTheRodain Posted January 25, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 149 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 20 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/27/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2014 The Next Generation was the best series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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