OakWood Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted February 22, 2014 The final promise to the Jews was unconditional. God does not lie, nor does he break his promises. Unfulfilled prophecies have yet to come. 23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. Zechariah 8 It's not happened yet - it has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnochBethany Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 99 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/21/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2014 Of course Ishmael was the son of a slave-concubine, not of the wife, Sarah. Galatians 4 discusses this somewhat at length. What you are trying to do, I think, is to draw parallels, which would be called typology, a legitimate way to include in studying the Bible. A "type" is a prophecy, not by word, but by illustration, like when Ezekiel cut off his hair & did various things to it to symbolize the destruction coming to Israel. The Lord Jesus is said to be a prophet like Moses, so parallels are rightly drawn between the two. One may see in Moses second coming a type of Christ's 2nd coming. Moses took a Gentile wife, Christ took the Church (predominantly Gentile) as his wife, and so forth. So keep up the good study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitfull77 Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 132 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 25 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/09/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2014 Gal 3:29 - " And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs to the promise." Through Christ all nations are to be blessed. The promises to Abraham are dual, both physical (the descendants of Abraham) and spiritual (the followers of Christ) Spiritual Israel of God is the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2014 Gal 3:29 - " And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs to the promise." Through Christ all nations are to be blessed. The promises to Abraham are dual, both physical (the descendants of Abraham) and spiritual (the followers of Christ) Spiritual Israel of God is the church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I don't remember Abraham promised eternal life.... The Gospel was preached to Abraham (Gal. 3). Abraham's faith was credited to him as righteousness (Rom. 4) Our faith is credited to us as righteousness the same as Abraham (Rom. 4) So yeah, He had eternal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Gal 3:29 - " And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs to the promise." Through Christ all nations are to be blessed. The promises to Abraham are dual, both physical (the descendants of Abraham) and spiritual (the followers of Christ) Spiritual Israel of God is the church. No, the Church is not a spiritual Israel. The NT never spiritualizes israel to refer to the Church. The Church is NEVER called Israel. Israel is Israel. the Church is the Church. They are radically separate in the NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 22, 2014 ...Christ took the Church (predominantly Gentile) as his wife, and so forth. Actually, that isn't exactly accurate. The Church became Gentile in nature. She did not start that way. She was originally 100% Jewish. Acts 2, the coming of the Holy Spirit occurred while the Jews were celebrating the Feast of Weeks, the Feast of the Lord where the people celebrate the coming of the Law. See the parallel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Spiritual Israel of God is the church. "Spiritual Israel" is not found in the Scriptures anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 22, 2014 Blessings Remantrob God Bless you & All Praise & Glory to our Lord,God!!!! Heres where it just seems to get all complicated when there is nothing complicated about it at all............God is Faithful & True to His Promises,,,the Blessings & Promises He has made in Covenant with Israel shall stand forever,just as He said ....His New Covenant promises & Blessings He has for His Church through Christ will stand forever.....two seperate ,non-transferrable Blessings for two different peoples...............yet,in Christ,,,,the Promise & Guarantee Seal of Redemption is available for everyone......Oh,but for the Grace of God,Halleluliah! With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted February 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.76 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted February 22, 2014 ...God is Faithful & True to His Promises,,, the Blessings & Promises He has made in Covenant with Israel shall stand forever,just as He said .... His New Covenant promises & Blessings He has for His Church through Christ will stand forever..... two seperate ,non-transferrable Blessings for two different peoples............... yet,in Christ,,,,the Promise & Guarantee Seal of Redemption is available for everyone...... Oh,but for the Grace of God,Halleluliah! Amen! Why desire the Covenant God made with Israel? IS not Jesus awesome enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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