To cover or not to cover ?

[EnochBethany]

Today I am not familiar with any congregation where the women cover their hair in church.  The Christian Brethren (aka "Plymouth Brethren") used to have that general practice.  When I was in England attending a Gospel Hall, the women covered their hair.  But I think that now many women in those congregations do not cover their hair, even ignoring their husband's opinions on the subject.

 

Yet 1 Cor 11 is clear enough, and none of the reasons given are to conform with the current culture.

 

So ladies, if you want to dishonor your husbands, at least 1 Cor 11 tells you one way to do it!

 

I am curious as to whether even 1 of the women who use this forum cover their hair during the Church service?  Of course since we are discussing the topic instead of the posters, you may ignore the question.

[Sevenseas]

 

Passages in the Bible are speaking to a people in a certain culture in the who, what, where,

why and when to arrive at a certain point. Ignoring context then become pretext not of God.

Once that study is complete you may take that point and apply it across the board in life.

But take that context away and you will come up with something other than the point. As you

have already stated you reject this culture thing- just saying so that we are all clear on

understanding of God's Word and why you say what you do here in these threads... Love, Steven

Lets look at this argument.  Supposedly, there were homosexuals in the church, and lesbian women would cut their hair short and men would have long hair.  As Kwikphilly pointed out earlier in the thread, we still have homosexuals today who do the same thing.  Many lesbians cut their hair very short, so nothing has changed.  Even if I was to entertain this cultural context, it changes nothing.  God is the same yesterday, today and forever. 

 

 

 

now now...you are inserting rabid sin into the scene....that's not an arguement, that is a red herring...when culture is mentionned, sinful behavior may indeed and often does present itself.

 

However, in our present culture we drive cars or trucks...not a buggy with a horse or mule or whatever...unless you are Amish...neither of those things are sinful...unless you run over

an Amish buggy on purpose...but I digress

 

Inserting homsexuals into the discussion has nothing to do with the scripture being discussed...now I know yr style Mr B....so I get it....and you know my style....

 

Let's not embellish the verse with some hithertwo neverbefore seen arguement (presented in the text being discussed), that appeared over the horizon dragging its tired self along and wishing it could be laid to rest

[Izzel]

For all who say it was a cultural issue then all of corithians should be a cultural issue and not apply to us also 

[Sevenseas]

For all who say it was a cultural issue then all of corithians should be a cultural issue and not apply to us also 

 

 

Culturally, all the people wore long robes when the passage in question was written.  Where did anyone state that the entire book was a cultural issue?  

 

You would be right in stating that cultural norms of the city of Corinth do not apply to us today...some of those norms were pretty nasty anyway

[enoob57]

I think I have the understanding in this way two women here both loved their husbands

as much as were able and devoted themselves to that love. One with short hair and the

other with long hair both died how will they be judged by The Lord?

before you answer read this please http://www.gotquestions.org/hair-length.html

Love, Steven

[Sevenseas]

Thats a pretty decent site Stephen  I use it myself from time to time.....(that's not what makes it good...I like it because they always refer to scripture for their

answers rather than just an opinion)  is a hairy heart better than a bald heart though?

 

While hair length is not the main point of this passage of Scripture, we glean the following applications from it: 1) We should adhere to the culturally accepted indicators of gender. Men should look like men, and women should look like women. God is not interested in, nor does He accept, “unisex.” 2) We should not rebel against the culture just for the sake of rebelling, in the name of some sort of Christian “liberty.” It does matter how we present ourselves. 3) Women are to voluntarily place themselves under the authority of men in the church. 4) We should not reverse the God-ordained roles of men and women.

Our culture today does not use veils or head coverings to indicate submission to authority. The roles of men and women have not changed, but the way we symbolize those roles changes with the culture. Rather than establish legalistic standards of hair length, we must remember that the real issue is our heart condition, our individual response to the authority of God, His ordained order, and our choice to walk in submission to that authority. Men and women have different, God-ordained roles, and part of that difference is shown by their hair. A man's hair should look masculine. A woman's hair should look feminine.

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/hair-length.html#ixzz2vDTJx5T8

 

I can agree with this ^^^^^

 

Some people have the good sense not to drive into oncoming traffic and some need double lines      

[Sevenseas]

 

oh no...are we going to go through that all over again?    

The horror of it.  Someone actually wants to put the thread back on topic. 

 

 

 

I just got out from under my bed I was so scared...getting the vacumn cleaner.....

[Guest Butero]

 

 

Passages in the Bible are speaking to a people in a certain culture in the who, what, where,

why and when to arrive at a certain point. Ignoring context then become pretext not of God.

Once that study is complete you may take that point and apply it across the board in life.

But take that context away and you will come up with something other than the point. As you

have already stated you reject this culture thing- just saying so that we are all clear on

understanding of God's Word and why you say what you do here in these threads... Love, Steven

Lets look at this argument.  Supposedly, there were homosexuals in the church, and lesbian women would cut their hair short and men would have long hair.  As Kwikphilly pointed out earlier in the thread, we still have homosexuals today who do the same thing.  Many lesbians cut their hair very short, so nothing has changed.  Even if I was to entertain this cultural context, it changes nothing.  God is the same yesterday, today and forever. 

 

 

 

now now...you are inserting rabid sin into the scene....that's not an arguement, that is a red herring...when culture is mentionned, sinful behavior may indeed and often does present itself.

 

However, in our present culture we drive cars or trucks...not a buggy with a horse or mule or whatever...unless you are Amish...neither of those things are sinful...unless you run over

an Amish buggy on purpose...but I digress

 

Inserting homsexuals into the discussion has nothing to do with the scripture being discussed...now I know yr style Mr B....so I get it....and you know my style....

 

Let's not embellish the verse with some hithertwo neverbefore seen arguement (presented in the text being discussed), that appeared over the horizon dragging its tired self along and wishing it could be laid to rest

 

I never believed homosexuality did have anything to do with it.  That is the cultural argument others are making.  I was just saying that even if it were the reason as they claim, we still have homosexuals today.  Of course it is a red herring, but it is not mine, but those who are arguing it was a culturally based teaching. 

[Guest Butero]

I think I have the understanding in this way two women here both loved their husbands

as much as were able and devoted themselves to that love. One with short hair and the

other with long hair both died how will they be judged by The Lord?

before you answer read this please http://www.gotquestions.org/hair-length.html

Love, Steven

I read it and don't agree with it.  As to your question, how many times must I repeat this is not a salvation issue?  Nobody said it is.

[Sevenseas]

 

 

 

Passages in the Bible are speaking to a people in a certain culture in the who, what, where,

why and when to arrive at a certain point. Ignoring context then become pretext not of God.

Once that study is complete you may take that point and apply it across the board in life.

But take that context away and you will come up with something other than the point. As you

have already stated you reject this culture thing- just saying so that we are all clear on

understanding of God's Word and why you say what you do here in these threads... Love, Steven

Lets look at this argument.  Supposedly, there were homosexuals in the church, and lesbian women would cut their hair short and men would have long hair.  As Kwikphilly pointed out earlier in the thread, we still have homosexuals today who do the same thing.  Many lesbians cut their hair very short, so nothing has changed.  Even if I was to entertain this cultural context, it changes nothing.  God is the same yesterday, today and forever. 

 

 

 

now now...you are inserting rabid sin into the scene....that's not an arguement, that is a red herring...when culture is mentionned, sinful behavior may indeed and often does present itself.

 

However, in our present culture we drive cars or trucks...not a buggy with a horse or mule or whatever...unless you are Amish...neither of those things are sinful...unless you run over

an Amish buggy on purpose...but I digress

 

Inserting homsexuals into the discussion has nothing to do with the scripture being discussed...now I know yr style Mr B....so I get it....and you know my style....

 

Let's not embellish the verse with some hithertwo neverbefore seen arguement (presented in the text being discussed), that appeared over the horizon dragging its tired self along and wishing it could be laid to rest

 

I never believed homosexuality did have anything to do with it.  That is the cultural argument others are making.  I was just saying that even if it were the reason as they claim, we still have homosexuals today.  Of course it is a red herring, but it is not mine, but those who are arguing it was a culturally based teaching. 

 

 

 

oh well...as long as it wasn't yours.....but homosexuality is a sin in any culture...accepted or not and hardly has anything to do with head coverings....

 

not in my mind anyway.....

 

thanks