WN: Syrian Christians sign treaty of submission to Islamists - Times

[OakWood]

nebula

 

Thanks, and pleasure meeting you.  Yes, I am familiar with the verse.  I am not sure how I am stating things without 'knowlege' or being 'hasty', or 'missing the way'.  I believe we as Christians have the very statements of Christ and the example of Christ in being willing to give our lives for Him and God, if called on to do that.  And we have the example of the people of God down through the ages, Old and New Testament, who have had to do that very thing.

 

Of course one does not have to be preaching on a street corner to be strong in faith.  Or meeting in a church building.  But, when you as a Christian are captured by those of the world and false religions such as islam,  and they draw up a paper for you to sign which states the superiority of islam over Christ, which states you are not to witness to others as commanded by Christ,...do you sign it?

 

No.  You don't.  Would Daniel have signed it?   Would Jesus have signed it?  Of course not.  Then why do Christians now days think they are to take the easy road, live to witness another day.  But, in doing that, you lose your testimony.   What value shall their witness be to any muslim now?    The islamist did just what they wanted to do.  They showed the superiority of islam over these Christians because these Christians faith in Christ did not overcome their fear of the muslims sword.   Satan in using the islamist destroyed these Christians witness.

 

 

Quantrill

 

It's not that simple. It's not just their own martyrdom we're talking about, if they don't submit to Islam innocent women and children will be killed - that's the way Islam works. You can sacrifice your own life but you have no right to sacrifice others.

If they had taken the other option, that is converting to Islam then they would have abandoned their faith, but they decided to keep their faith and sign the treaty instead. You can't go crazy and throw yourself to the lions.

[nebula]

In the same vein, we have no clue what the condition of the Syrian church actually is. are they cultural Christians, are they faithful "denominationalists" doing the denominational thing? Or have they experienced the power of the Spirit and know a relationship with God apart from religious form?

 

That can make a difference in how they would react.

 

Likewise, they are a people who have lived under oppression all their lives - worse than what the Christians of the early church suffered. We have no clue what that can do to they psyche.

 

 

Thus, we need to pray for them. Pray for a moving of the Spirit, pray for encounters with Jesus, pray that life will spring from the ashes among them.

[Quantrill]

 

nebula

 

Thanks, and pleasure meeting you.  Yes, I am familiar with the verse.  I am not sure how I am stating things without 'knowlege' or being 'hasty', or 'missing the way'.  I believe we as Christians have the very statements of Christ and the example of Christ in being willing to give our lives for Him and God, if called on to do that.  And we have the example of the people of God down through the ages, Old and New Testament, who have had to do that very thing.

 

Of course one does not have to be preaching on a street corner to be strong in faith.  Or meeting in a church building.  But, when you as a Christian are captured by those of the world and false religions such as islam,  and they draw up a paper for you to sign which states the superiority of islam over Christ, which states you are not to witness to others as commanded by Christ,...do you sign it?

 

No.  You don't.  Would Daniel have signed it?   Would Jesus have signed it?  Of course not.  Then why do Christians now days think they are to take the easy road, live to witness another day.  But, in doing that, you lose your testimony.   What value shall their witness be to any muslim now?    The islamist did just what they wanted to do.  They showed the superiority of islam over these Christians because these Christians faith in Christ did not overcome their fear of the muslims sword.   Satan in using the islamist destroyed these Christians witness.

 

 

Quantrill

 

It's not that simple. It's not just their own martyrdom we're talking about, if they don't submit to Islam innocent women and children will be killed - that's the way Islam works. You can sacrifice your own life but you have no right to sacrifice others.

If they had taken the other option, that is converting to Islam then they would have abandoned their faith, but they decided to keep their faith and sign the treaty instead. You can't go crazy and throw yourself to the lions.

 

 

Actually, it is that simple.  All will be martyred.  I am aware of that.   Yes, that is the way islam works. 

 

Really?  Do you love your family more than God and Christ?  

 

No, they compromised their faith to save their lives.  They didn't keep their faith because they lived.  What a strange twist you put on it. 

 

It is not me going crazy.  It is the islamists who hate the Christians who are crazy, and me saying we are to be faithful.

 

*** removed personal attack ***

 

Quantrill

Edited March 4, 2014 by Quantrill
Debete the subject, not the person

[Quantrill]

In the same vein, we have no clue what the condition of the Syrian church actually is. are they cultural Christians, are they faithful "denominationalists" doing the denominational thing? Or have they experienced the power of the Spirit and know a relationship with God apart from religious form?

 

That can make a difference in how they would react.

 

Likewise, they are a people who have lived under oppression all their lives - worse than what the Christians of the early church suffered. We have no clue what that can do to they psyche.

 

 

Thus, we need to pray for them. Pray for a moving of the Spirit, pray for encounters with Jesus, pray that life will spring from the ashes among them.

 

What ashes?  They compromised their faith.  There are no ashes of martyrs.  Life doesn't spring from compromise and lack of faith.  Pray that the Lord give them the faith to be true to Him.

 

Quantrill

Edited March 4, 2014 by Quantrill

[nebula]

What ashes?  They compromised their faith.  There are no ashes of martyrs.  Life doesn't spring from compromise and lack of faith.  Pray that the Lord give them the faith to be true to Him.

 

Quantrill

 

You really should focus more on interceding for your brethren rather than condemning them.

[Quantrill]

nebula

 

To address the situation at hand doesn't mean one cannot intercede.    I am stating my view of their compromise. 

 

Quantrill