Spiral Galaxies: (A Challenge to the Paradigm?)

[Enoch2021]

I don't know. How would we be seeing stellar events that happened long ago? Wouldn't the light be more uniform?

 

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I don't know. How would we be seeing stellar events that happened long ago?

 

That "Long Ago" is The Presumption I just put the Fork into in the OP.

 

 

Wouldn't the light be more uniform?

 

Not following?

[gray wolf]

I mean, if the light were created en route, wouldn't we expect to see fewer events, such as Supernova 1987A? Just events over the past few thousand years from closer objects?

[Enoch2021]

I mean, if the light were created en route, wouldn't we expect to see fewer events, such as Supernova 1987A? Just events over the past few thousand years from closer objects?

 

 

What do you mean by "Created en route"?

 

 

wouldn't we expect to see fewer events, such as Supernova 1987A?

 

I don't know, I just created the "Theory" the other day.....I haven't worked the details out yet  LOL

 

Also, recently.... I've been reading "Calculated" vs "Observed" Time......which is fascinating but I haven't got my mind wrapped around it yet.

 

If you ever seen the episode of Archy Bunker.... where Edith was talking to Archy (from the Kitchen) and while she was talking he was pretending to construct a noose....then wrapped it around his Neck and metaphorically hung himself??  That's the point where I'm @ with this 

[gray wolf]

If God made the stars appear at once, their light would have to have been created already in transit, otherwise nothing would have appeared in the sky other than the solar system for the first few years at least, right?

That scene was hilarious!

[EnochBethany]

If God made the stars appear at once, their light would have to have been created already in transit, otherwise nothing would have appeared in the sky other than the solar system for the first few years at least, right?

"If God made the stars appear at once, their light would have to have been created already in transit, otherwise nothing would have appeared in the sky other than the solar system for the first few years at least, right?"

 

Wrong.  Along with the stars, their beams could have also been created at once.  Have you ever observed a start that lacked a beam?

[gray wolf]

Isn't that saying the same thing???

[Enoch2021]

If God made the stars appear at once, their light would have to have been created already in transit, otherwise nothing would have appeared in the sky other than the solar system for the first few years at least, right?

 

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If God made the stars appear at once, their light would have to have been created already in transit

 

Why?  Could the "stars" have been created closer before the "Stretching of The Heaven's"?

 

Also, and this among other things (TIME, for Example), The Properties of SPACE (it's just not "EMPTY") and effects EVERYTHING....

 

1. Zero Point Energy

2. Permittivity

3. Permeability

4. Intrinsic Impedance

 

Any change in these Characters will directly effect the "Speed of Light"

 

Quantized Red Shifts speak to some of these observations.  SEE: William Tiftt

 

TIME and it's Properties Impact all of This Massively.

 

There are so many variables that are KNOWN...what about the ones that Aren't ???

 

Light itself is a very weird creature and not very much is known.

 

IMHO, it's something that will never be grasped by us mere Humans....it may be time to Clean the Bathroom

[EnochBethany]

Isn't that saying the same thing???

No, to say stars were created with light in transit is not the same as to say the stars were created with the beams extending to the earth.  I mean "in transit" sounds like when created, the beams were moving towards the earth, but had not yet got there.

 

But perhaps by "in transit" you meant reaching to the destination

[Sheniy]

I posted a portion of this topic on another Thread and all I got was Crickets, So......

 

 (snip)

Hi.

First of all, I want to say THANK YOU! This post was so neat and clear, and I didn't feel like I was being whacked over the head with a textbook or the bible. Also, I didn't feel overwhelmed with the amount of data you were giving me. Thanks for keeping it short and focused on one specific thing.

Okay, so even though this is specifically about spiral galaxies, I'm seeing three different points here. (please bear with me)

1st point: Really distant spiral galaxies should have less twist because they're too old.

2nd point: The light we see from the really distant spiral galaxies is from when they were not old enough to form spirals.

3rd point: The universe declares the Glory of God. (I happen to agree with this one)

It could be my sleep-deprived brain (sorry...still haven't caught up yet...), but it seems like point 2 counters point 1 by saying that the light we see from the oldest galaxies is from their beginning...when they were young...

As for the third point, I'm sure you have one, but...other than "the universe was made by God", I don't know what it is, and I don't want to assume incorrectly.

I have more questions and opinions on this (of course, lol), but we'll just start with that.

[EnochBethany]

 

If God made the stars appear at once, their light would have to have been created already in transit, otherwise nothing would have appeared in the sky other than the solar system for the first few years at least, right?

 

=============================================================

 

 

If God made the stars appear at once, their light would have to have been created already in transit

 

Why?  Could the "stars" have been created closer before the "Stretching of The Heaven's"?

 

Also, and this among other things (TIME, for Example), The Properties of SPACE (it's just not "EMPTY") and effects EVERYTHING....

 

1. Zero Point Energy

2. Permittivity

3. Permeability

4. Intrinsic Impedance

 

Any change in these Characters will directly effect the "Speed of Light"

 

Quantized Red Shifts speak to some of these observations.  SEE: William Tiftt

 

TIME and it's Properties Impact all of This Massively.

 

There are so many variables that are KNOWN...what about the ones that Aren't ???

 

Light itself is a very weird creature and not very much is known.

 

IMHO, it's something that will never be grasped by us mere Humans....it may be time to Clean the Bathroom

 

"Light itself is a very weird creature and not very much is known."

 

Intelligent statement.  Realizing how little we know of creation is a necessary realization in order to have real understanding.  It reminds me of the end of Job, where instead of giving a direct explanation to Job, YHWH tells Job how little Job knows.

 

"Where where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?"

 

We were not there & had no way of making observations.  But that doesn't stop man from speculating.  The problem comes especially when one forgets he is speculating & starts dogmatizing like he was there.