EnochBethany Posted March 2, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 99 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/21/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2014 I posted a portion of this topic on another Thread and all I got was Crickets, So...... (snip) Hi. First of all, I want to say THANK YOU! This post was so neat and clear, and I didn't feel like I was being whacked over the head with a textbook or the bible. Also, I didn't feel overwhelmed with the amount of data you were giving me. Thanks for keeping it short and focused on one specific thing. Okay, so even though this is specifically about spiral galaxies, I'm seeing three different points here. (please bear with me) 1st point: Really distant spiral galaxies should have less twist because they're too old. 2nd point: The light we see from the really distant spiral galaxies is from when they were not old enough to form spirals. 3rd point: The universe declares the Glory of God. (I happen to agree with this one) It could be my sleep-deprived brain (sorry...still haven't caught up yet...), but it seems like point 2 counters point 1 by saying that the light we see from the oldest galaxies is from their beginning...when they were young... As for the third point, I'm sure you have one, but...other than "the universe was made by God", I don't know what it is, and I don't want to assume incorrectly. I have more questions and opinions on this (of course, lol), but we'll just start with that. Blessed is he who gets whacked over the head by the Bible. -- Hezekiah 9:6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 "Light itself is a very weird creature and not very much is known." Intelligent statement. Realizing how little we know of creation is a necessary realization in order to have real understanding. It reminds me of the end of Job, where instead of giving a direct explanation to Job, YHWH tells Job how little Job knows. "Where where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" We were not there & had no way of making observations. But that doesn't stop man from speculating. The problem comes especially when one forgets he is speculating & starts dogmatizing like he was there. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 That scene was hilarious! ======================================================= The younger generation will have No Idea of what we're talking about. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 2, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted March 2, 2014 ========================================================================== First of all, I want to say THANK YOU! This post was so neat and clear, and I didn't feel like I was being whacked over the head with a textbook or the bible. Also, I didn't feel overwhelmed with the amount of data you were giving me. Thanks for keeping it short and focused on one specific thing. You're Welcome Okay, so even though this is specifically about spiral galaxies, I'm seeing three different points here. (please bear with me) 1st point: Really distant spiral galaxies should have less twist because they're too old. 2nd point: The light we see from the really distant spiral galaxies is from when they were not old enough to form spirals. 3rd point: The universe declares the Glory of God. (I happen to agree with this one) 1. They should have NO TWIST WHATSOEVER....especially BX442 "allegedly" only 3 Billion Years after the "alleged" Big Bang. 2. The "Light" we are seeing today is what they like 10.7 billion Years ago (for BX442) if all the other 100 Presuppositions (BB, c, et al) are true. 3. OH YES!!! but it seems like point 2 counters point 1 by saying that the light we see from the oldest galaxies is from their beginning...when they were young... Yes, I'm pointing out the Conundrum. When they were young (as with BX442) it should not look as "Mature" as it does if Stellar "evolutionary" Theory has any legs to stand on. In other words, I'm Chain Sawing said "Legs" from up under theory As for the third point, I'm sure you have one, but...other than "the universe was made by God", I don't know what it is, and I don't want to assume incorrectly. The 3rd Point is more conceptually. I didn't speak to it directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheniy Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 223 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 27 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/07/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2014 "Light itself is a very weird creature and not very much is known." Intelligent statement. Realizing how little we know of creation is a necessary realization in order to have real understanding. It reminds me of the end of Job, where instead of giving a direct explanation to Job, YHWH tells Job how little Job knows. "Where where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" We were not there & had no way of making observations. But that doesn't stop man from speculating. The problem comes especially when one forgets he is speculating & starts dogmatizing like he was there. TRUTH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted March 3, 2014 "Light itself is a very weird creature and not very much is known." Intelligent statement. Realizing how little we know of creation is a necessary realization in order to have real understanding. It reminds me of the end of Job, where instead of giving a direct explanation to Job, YHWH tells Job how little Job knows. "Where where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" We were not there & had no way of making observations. But that doesn't stop man from speculating. The problem comes especially when one forgets he is speculating & starts dogmatizing like he was there. TRUTH! ============================================================================= (Exodus 20:11) "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." ABSOLUTE TRUTH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Share Posted March 3, 2014 (edited) Deleted Edited March 3, 2014 by jerryR34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnochBethany Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 99 Days Won: 3 Joined: 02/21/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2014 "Light itself is a very weird creature and not very much is known." Intelligent statement. Realizing how little we know of creation is a necessary realization in order to have real understanding. It reminds me of the end of Job, where instead of giving a direct explanation to Job, YHWH tells Job how little Job knows. "Where where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" We were not there & had no way of making observations. But that doesn't stop man from speculating. The problem comes especially when one forgets he is speculating & starts dogmatizing like he was there. TRUTH! ============================================================================= (Exodus 20:11) "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." ABSOLUTE TRUTH! Absolute Truth. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray wolf Posted March 3, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,046 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 194 Days Won: 2 Joined: 09/25/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/30/1960 Share Posted March 3, 2014 Fair is the sunshine,Fairer still the moonlight,And all the twinkling starry host;Jesus shines brighter, Jesus shines purerThan all the angels heaven can boast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch2021 Posted March 5, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,396 Content Per Day: 0.90 Reputation: 730 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/26/1963 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 =================================================================== Anything further? Did you catch up on the ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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