"Islamophobia" and the Reality of Islamic Terror

[Guest shiloh357]

"Islamophobia" and the Reality of Islamic Terror

By Robert Spencer

FrontPageMagazine.com | December 16, 2004

Last week Kofi Annan presided over a UN seminar on

[Work in Progress]

Great post, Shiloh. Kofi Annan should be, at the most, tried for crimes and, at the least, hiding in shame; not presiding over a U.N seminar.

[Guest DarkFenix]

The focus, not unexpectedly, stayed mostly on the aggrieved, misunderstood Muslims, with no questions raised about the Islamic roots of jihad terrorism. Nor was there any discussion of the compatibility of Islam with universally accepted ideas of human rights, as embodied in the UN

[Ovedya]

In no way do I excuse Jhiadist mentality, or their terrorist by products.

Be it should be understood that though most terroriest are muslim, they ARE NOT terroriest BECAUSE they are muslim. That is a very dangerously simple way of looking at human behaver, and underscores perhaps the lack of knowledge of the why muslims are terrorist IN THIS TIME PERIOD. You see the real danger is that terrorism is not a patent held by muslims,.... and if unchecked can even infect us.

Actually this is not true. Islam fosters the war mentality by advocating the destruction of all infidels, or unbelievers. Fundamentalist Islam uses that term as a "catch-all" for anybody that is viewed as interfering with the muslim agenda.

Osama Bin Ladin recently announced that anybody that votes in the Iraq election is an infidel. This kind of labeling gives the terrorists free reign to kill anybody, regardless of whether they are muslim or not, that they want. So if you interfer with the muslim agenda in any way, once a muslim cleric labels you an infidel, there is a mark fo death upon you.

[Guest DarkFenix]

dearest ove,

*Next time, PM me ok?

Must I REALLY go trough the trouble of finding the old testament quotes that say the same about non-isrealies??? Or were it "can" be interpeted to mean as much????? When it comes to misreading, the quran tolmet and bible go all in one basket. Really. I was hoping we were on the samepage bible literature wise.

Osama Bin Ladin recently announced that anybody that votes in the Iraq election is an infidel. This kind of labeling gives the terrorists free reign to kill anybody, regardless of whether they are muslim or not, that they want. So if you interfer with the muslim agenda in any way, once a muslim cleric labels you an infidel, there is a mark fo death upon you.

and AGAIN,.... who is it that says that OSAMA of all people is the FINAL word on Quran interpatation. You?

*oh and no hard feelings really.

Edited December 29, 2004 by DarkFenix

[Ovedya]

dearest ove,

*Next time, PM me ok?

Okay. Again, I apologize. Thanks for the no hard feelings.

Must I REALLY go trough the trouble of finding the old testament quotes that say the same about non-isrealies??? Or where it can" be interpeted to mean as much????? When it comes to misreading, the quran tolmet and bible go all in one basket. Really. I was hoping we were on the samepage bible literature wise.

No. I'm familiar with what few of them there are. But I'm not Israeli. And, strictly speaking, we are not discussing Judaism or Christianity here. I acknowledge that much blood has been shed by misled and misguided Christians in the past. But we are not talking about Christianity. Nor are we discussing the crusades. We are talking about fundamentalist Islam and terrorists here. But the sins of the Crusades do not excuse or justify the sins of muslim extremists.

The difference that we can see in stark relief between these, however, is that Islam has always been a religion that fosters violence toward the infidel. From its inception, Islam has been spread through violent means. The same cannot be said of either Judaism or Christianity. Judaism does not proselytize, nor does Christianity proselytize through force; Islam does, and always has.

Osama Bin Ladin recently announced that anybody that votes in the Iraq election is an infidel. This kind of labeling gives the terrorists free reign to kill anybody, regardless of whether they are muslim or not, that they want. So if you interfer with the muslim agenda in any way, once a muslim cleric labels you an infidel, there is a mark fo death upon you.

and AGAIN,.... who is it that says that OSAMA of all people is the FINAL word on Quran interpatation. You?

Of course not. But he is revered as a leader of the Muslims. And if I am not mistaken he was made an Imam. So his word on the Quran as an Imam is technically the final word.

[Catsmeow]

You see the real danger is that terrorism is not a patent held by muslims,.... and if unchecked can even infect us.

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This alone we do agree on.

[Guest DarkFenix]

Mi amiga Ove,

Where do I begin?

The difference that we can see in stark relief between these, however, is that Islam has always been a religion that fosters violence toward the infidel

Like when single handedly Islam became the brith place for modern mathamatics, astromony, physics, humanitarin philosophies, modern medicine (particularly neuromedicine), and the highest levels of poeatic written word, and one of the largest explosion of cultural and artistic beauty? Your statment ( agian no offense ) displays a complete ignorance for islamic history, and general human history in general. When the christens crusaders in the mid. ages were preoccupied with cutting people up, Islamic culture was the center of the "enlightened" world, it was the golden star of humanity back then and ( ooooohhhh the tragic irony ) "THE" EXAMPLE FOR RELIGOUS RACIAL AND CULTURAL TOLERANCE. For your information in a time of hysteria and bloodshed, they were an empire of peace and compassiante understanding, EVEN with these strange barberic and violant christen vistors. Do you get the VAST contributions of Islamic culture to ALL of humanity. Were it not for the muslims, the tradition of intellectual process left by the Romans and Greeks would of been lost FOREVER. It is due to the preseverance of the Islamic scholars that said fundations of a thing we call Democracy were kept alive. So please if you need to, read up on some history from that era in human history. Really it would surprise you what you may discover.

Of course not. But he is revered as a leader of the Muslims. And if I am not mistaken he was made an Imam. So his word on the Quran as an Imam is technically the final word.

So the popes of the middle ages, as respected and elected religous representative, shold be taken as the final word in the christen tradition? Or if you prefer a more modern ref. how about some christen KKK pastors. Im sure we can ALL agree to his tenents of christiantiy. Right?

[ayin jade]

The Popes words are not considered sacrosanct even among all catholics. Any imam's words are revered in the islamic world. Whatever an imam says goes. There is no way that a moderate muslim can speak against an imam's words, no matter how much a moderate muslim might disagree with the extremist imam. He is required to accept the imam's teaching at face value. A vast difference in mentality.

[Guest shiloh357]

Mi amiga Ove,

Where do I begin?

The difference that we can see in stark relief between these, however, is that Islam has always been a religion that fosters violence toward the infidel

Like when single handedly Islam became the brith place for modern mathamatics, astromony, physics, humanitarin philosophies, modern medicine (particularly neuromedicine), and the highest levels of poeatic written word, and one of the largest explosion of cultural and artistic beauty? Your statment ( agian no offense ) displays a complete ignorance for islamic history, and general human history in general. When the christens crusaders in the mid. ages were preoccupied with cutting people up, Islamic culture was the center of the "enlightened" world, it was the golden star of humanity back then and ( ooooohhhh the tragic irony ) "THE" EXAMPLE FOR RELIGOUS RACIAL AND CULTURAL TOLERANCE. For your information in a time of hysteria and bloodshed, they were an empire of peace and compassiante understanding, EVEN with these strange barberic and violant christen vistors. Do you get the VAST contributions of Islamic culture to ALL of humanity. Were it not for the muslims, the tradition of intellectual process left by the Romans and Greeks would of been lost FOREVER. It is due to the preseverance of the Islamic scholars that said fundations of a thing we call Democracy were kept alive. So please if you need to, read up on some history from that era in human history. Really it would surprise you what you may discover.

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First of all, you can compare Islam in the Middle Ages with the Dark Ages of Europe and say that Islam was better. There is some truth to that. But it is like saying that 20 degrees below zero, is warmer than 50 degrees below zero. Neither is good, but one is technically warmer. Islam of the Middle Ages may have been have been better off than Europe in the Middle Ages, but that does NOT mean that Islam was a great civilization.

BTW, just as an aside, the crusades were in response to Muslim attacks on Christians. The Muslims drew first blood.

Let me give some examples (contrary to your gross misinformation) of how little Islam has done to improve life on Planet Earth as compared to the West, over the centuries:

Who is credited with discovering Algebra? It was Diophantus of Alexandria in the 3rd cent. A.D. There was a man named Kharazmi who used first used the Arabic language to pen a book about Algebra. What have Muslims done with Algebra? Nothing. They started the process of writing down calculations, but that is about it, really. We have no record of major accomplishments by Muslims that have improved life on our planet, even though they have had Algebra for centuries.

Of course in the West, we have Sir Isaac Newton, and Libnitz who invented Calculus out of Algebra. With Calculus we, in the West, have been able to send Man to the Moon, satellites to other planets, and even look beyond our own solar system.

While Muslims did manage to discover the the Algorithm, they did nothing with it. It was the West who invented electronics, computers, robots, and the internet when Algorithm was introduced over here.

In the West, we have also used Mathematics to invent/discover Quantum Mechanics, General Relativity, Special Relativity, cosmology, and modern astronomy.

There is a misconception that Islam invented Chemististry. That is not so.

Did Muslims invent Chemistry? Here is the article that accompanies the link:

Chemistry, alchemy, and distillation pre-date Islam

Jabir ibn Haiyan (aka Geber) is claimed by some historians of science, such as George Sarton, and many Islamophiles to be the father of alchemy (claimed root: al-kimyia in Arabic) and the inventor of the alembic around 800 AD.

There is a problem with this account, though. "Chemeia" was the ancient Greek word (meaning "Egypt" or "preparation/land of the black soil") related to that field of activity several centuries before Islam was invented. The process of distillation was discovered even longer ago. Alembic distillation is a very old technique, used by the Egyptians 3000 years BC and the Greeks 1000 BC. In 296 AD the emperor Diocletian, fearing that creation of gold would disrupt his economy, ordered the burning of alchemist manuscripts. In the 4th century, Zosimus of Panopolis wrote "The Divine Art of Making Gold and Silver." Much later, in the 7th century, alchemy was picked up by the Arabs when they conquered Egypt and Syria. "Ambix" is a Greek word meaning vase with a small opening, which was part of their distillation equipment. The Arabs changed the words "chemeia" to "kimyia" as well as "ambix" to "ambic" and called the distillation equipment "al ambic" (the vase).

Here we go again, discovering a tale of conquest and appropriation. It is wrong to claim that ibn Haiyan invented alchemy and the alembic. He did compile, describe, and practice various chemical processes, but he is not the founder of chemistry or alchemy by any stretch of the imagination.

The Muslims had a hold of chemistry but did nothing of record with it. In the West, we discovered over 100 chemical elements, we discovered organic chemistry, and this has led to many life saving drugs being invented here in the West. The Muslims cannot lay claim to any of that.

In the golden era of Islam, glass was used to beautify their mosques. When glass was introduced to the secular West, it was used to make lenses for the visually impaired. The microscope was also invented in the West thanks to the introduction of glass. As a result, the West discovered/invented microbiology and thus ushered in the age of modern medicine. Not only that, but we have the modern telescope (such as the Hubble) with which we can explore the universe.

Muslims could have done much to contribute great things to the world, but they did not. They have some shrines and mosques, and that is about it.

Who launched the industrial revolution? The West. Where gave the world electricity? The West.

Every country that is Islamic is in shambles. Most of the people live in poverty. You can go to any Arab/Islamic country in the world, and it is culture of death. You can be killed on the spot for not being Muslim. Afghanistan was once a beautiful multi-cultured country with Jews, Christians, Hindus, and Buddhists living in relative peace. That changed when the Muslims came in. the Muslims wrecked Afghanistan. Islam is a culture with a history of bloodshed and no respect for human rights. They tie up toddlers with bombs. Their people are taught that "paradise is under the shade of the sword."

Many Islamic countries rely on handouts from the United States just to survive, much less improve the quality of life for their people.

Here is another good link exposing the myth of Islam's "golden age."

The Golden Age of Islam is a Myth