Federal Minimum Wage

[Guest yod]

You might be a liberal if ...

By Ed Lynch

ROANOKE.COM COLUMNIST

now THAT list was funny...

[Eadora]

Yoh! Super Jew quote:

Edited January 1, 2005 by Eadora

[ted]

Yup!

Be well, Eadora.

We have no life but here!

t.

[apothanein kerdos]

Eadora, the problem is you missed the point. The point being that all of my sources are backed up and verified by government studies.

Listen, have you ever been poor? Are you poor? If not, then drop it.

[Eadora]

!HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!

!! MY FINE ADVERSARIAL FRIENDS !!

Yoh! and GOD Bless Yah All !!!!

See You >Cyberly Speaking< Sometime Next Year!

It's to bad we are on such different wave lengths I am sure you would be all fine people to get to know.

As long as we did not talk politics!

Happy New Year to you all

[apothanein kerdos]

I'm going to have to disagree with you Rebel...Eadora is pushing for communist reforms...not socialist reforms. I'm a socialist with capitalistic ideals (I guess a democratic-socialist if you will)...I'm for stuff like welfare (with tighter restrictions) and things like that...but I also believe that it should be handled on the state level and done so by the communities. Thus welfare in one city should be different than welfare in another city, so the needs can be met on a local level. Eadora, however, is a communist who wants a strong central government involved in the economic process....not a big disagreement or anything to argue over....I just wanted to take the time to point out that Eadora is a communist

[Work in Progress]

Trying to continuously obfuscate the issue as you do with such tactics is very telling.

Wow, Reb, I'm impressed! But, what the heck does obfuscate mean??

SJ - your comments are very interesting. Especially interesting:

I'm a socialist with capitalistic ideals

Is that an oxymoron? (Seriously)

I'd like to hear further comments on your support of welfare, especially in light of what Scripture says about a work ethic and such. Thanks.

[apothanein kerdos]

Well, a pure capitalist believes no matter what your circumstances you need to work for a living. A pure socialist believes that the community should share their wages amongst others in the community...no matter what. While I believe a person needs a work ethic and if they have no work ethic they should simply be put out on their own, I do believe there are certain instances and cases where welfare is needed on the community level (and biblical). While the Bible speaks of having a good work ethic, it also talks about taking care of the poor. If a woman of four has a husban who dies but doesn't leave behind much, I believe a temporary welfare to work program would work perfectly for her. I do think welfare needs to be drastically reformed so that people are allowed to get off of welfare and into education or a higher paying job(though not all might not be able to get off of it). I also believe in some form of univesal health care because, no matter how hard some of us work, we cannot afford welfare. Nothing big but just something basic. I also think that instead of just putting the homeless in shelters we need to have incentives to get them off the streets and into productive jobs. I wouldn't be opposed to a 40-50% income tax IF it went into such things as health care and programs that benefited me as well as the community...unfortunately in America when we have a 40% income tax rate (such as if you work on a pure commission job) you rarely see the effects of it in your own life.

Feel free to ask questions on it though. I'm neither a pure capitalist nor a pure socialist.

[Work in Progress]

Thanks, S.J. That makes sense. Although - don't you think the church only should be involved in the "welfare", and not the state? Isn't that Biblical?

I'm shocked at what you said about 40 or 50% tax though - no way do I agree with that.

Universal health care - unfortunately that would mean government health care. Again, no thanks. But I do see what you are saying and agree that there are some instances where people need some temporary help.

[apothanein kerdos]

And I think we can respectfully disagree. Honestly...if it weren't for the failure of the church to help the poor...I wouldn't be for such government actions. I mean, let's face it...when the church is more concerned about raising $26 million for a building but only spends $2 million on the poor....I kind of raise an eyebrow to that. After all, socialism is only the community acting where the church has failed...