Millions in UK eat halal meat without knowing it

[OakWood]

There's only one way to ensure that you don't eat meat that has been sacrificed to a false god - stick to pork.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Millions-people-eating-halal-food-knowing/story-21074629-detail/story.html

 

[Qnts2]

This brings up all kinds of questions.

 

 

Acts 21:25

²⁵ But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.”

 

Just briefly, this says Gentiles are to abstain from blood. Both Kosher slaughter and Hallal slaughter is done in a fashion which drains the blood. Regular slaughterhouses which do not follow Kosher or Hallal standards (in the U.S. and I believe also in Britain) do not drain the blood.  

 

On the other side of this argument:

 

1 Cor 8:4 Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. ⁵ For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, ⁶ yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

⁷ However not all men have this knowledge; but some, being accustomed to the idol until now, eat food as if it were sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. ⁸ But food will not commend us to God; we are neither the worse if we do not eat, nor the better if we do eat. ⁹ But take care that this liberty of yours does not somehow become a stumbling block to the weak.

  

 

1 Cor 8, seems to say that since the idols are false gods who do not even exist, as there is only One God, so it really does not matter if we eat food sacrificed to an idol, except for our or anothers conscience. Well, in Romans time, the Romans were not concerned with draining blood, so meat sacrificed to an idol contained blood.

 

I am aware the in Britain they are trying to outlaw both Kosher and Hallal meat, by stating the animal must be stunned first. Both Kosher and Hallal laws would not allow for stunning, due to the blood draining. For Kosher, it is the blood, and also Kosher law sees the stunning as cruelty to animals.

 

I can not speak for Hallal, but the Kosher method of slaughter is to use a knife which is so sharp, the animal does not feel the incision at all. There are certain other practices to make sure the animal does not feel any pain, so that the animal is not even aware that it is dieing.    

 

 

 

[Guest]

First, if you feel you shouldn’t eat halal food then don’t do it. In Romans 14: 5-7 Paul said we should each be fully convinced in our own mind about it. This means it’s not a case of do or don’t from God but a case of personal conviction for us. The context of 1 Cor. 10:28 is proper etiquette  when you’ve been invited to a meal by an unbeliever. Such meals often took place in pagan temples (1 Cor. 8:10). It refers to abstaining for the sake of others, not because eating meat sacrificed to idols is wrong for us. You get a better understanding by adding the rest of Paul’s sentence which is contained in verse 29. Taken together they say,  “But if anyone says to you, ‘This has been offered in sacrifice,’ then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience sake’ – the other man’s conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another’s conscience?” (1 Cor. 10:28-29).

Through out his letters Paul emphasized the believer’s freedom in Christ, saying only that we should be aware of the influence our behavior has on others (1 Cor. 8:9). Responding in advance to the current controversy over halal foods, he wrote, “Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for the Earth is the Lord’s and everything in it” (1 Cor. 10:25). In Titus 1:15 he said, “To the pure, all things are pure but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. ”

[OakWood]

There's a political side to this which has nothing to do with eating food sacrificed to idols. If you don't know that you are doing it, you're not culpable anyway, so if I have been unwittingly eating halal meat my conscience is clear.

What really bothers me is that Muslims are gaining dominance because of fools pandering to their market without realising the full consequences.

The halal food industry secures jobs for Muslims and pushes out non-Muslims because non-Muslims are not allowed to work in halal food processing. Also there are strong connections between the halal industry and terrorism. In order to sell halal meat, food companies have to pay a fee to Muslim organisations to make them halal registered. This is just more money towards jihad.

[Qnts2]

I am not an expert on Halal, so I am looking up the laws.

 

The animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim, 'in the name of Allah', “Bismillah”. 

 

It must be stored separately and not come in contact with forbidden meats or substances. The storage area must be properly cleaned to ensure there are no leftover traces of forbidden meats or substances. If Halal is anything like Kosher, a designated/certified Muslim must do periodic inspections of the restaurant to make sure it is in compliance (for a fee).

 

So, the basic requirement would involve a minimum of two Muslim jobs. 

 

For Kosher, the animal must be slaughtered by a certified Jewish person. The facilities which are Kosher need to be inspected by a Rabbi to receive a Kosher certification (for a fee). And there must be a Jewish person (chef) supervising all cooking.

 

Kosher has more rules then Halal. The Kosher blessing before slaughter isn't a statement like 'in God's name'.  It is ''Blessed are You, Hashem, our God, Sovereign of the universe, Who has commanded us regarding shechitah."  Shechitah is the method of ritual slaughter,

 

[OakWood]

I am not an expert on Halal, so I am looking up the laws.

 

The animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim, 'in the name of Allah', “Bismillah”. 

 

It must be stored separately and not come in contact with forbidden meats or substances. The storage area must be properly cleaned to ensure there are no leftover traces of forbidden meats or substances. If Halal is anything like Kosher, a designated/certified Muslim must do periodic inspections of the restaurant to make sure it is in compliance (for a fee).

 

So, the basic requirement would involve a minimum of two Muslim jobs. 

 

For Kosher, the animal must be slaughtered by a certified Jewish person. The facilities which are Kosher need to be inspected by a Rabbi to receive a Kosher certification (for a fee). And there must be a Jewish person (chef) supervising all cooking.

 

Kosher has more rules then Halal. The Kosher blessing before slaughter isn't a statement like 'in God's name'.  It is ''Blessed are You, Hashem, our God, Sovereign of the universe, Who has commanded us regarding shechitah."  Shechitah is the method of ritual slaughter,

 

 

The fundamental differences between kosher and halal is that Jews never make demands on other people. If they find a business that doesn't provide kosher food, they'll go elsewhere.

Jews never mind somebody sitting next to them eating bacon. Muslims on the other hand will complain about it.

Halal is just another form of Muslim bullying. They expect to be prioritised above everyone else.

[ayin jade]

At least HaShem isnt a false god like allah of islam is. 

 

 

There are some indian restaurants, and I love indian food, that is advertised as halal. I refuse to eat in them out of concern for giving the appearance of condoning islam. For me, it is a conviction. For others it isnt. 

[missmuffet]

I did not even know what it was.But I do now.....thanks.

[Qnts2]

 

 

 

The fundamental differences between kosher and halal is that Jews never make demands on other people. If they find a business that doesn't provide kosher food, they'll go elsewhere.

Jews never mind somebody sitting next to them eating bacon. Muslims on the other hand will complain about it.

Halal is just another form of Muslim bullying. They expect to be prioritised above everyone else.

 

 

In todays world, people in general are more likely to demand that others accomodate them, or comply with their views.

 

There are a couple of things in Judaism which are different then both Islam and Christianity. First, Judaism views the Mosaic law as given to Jewish people. Unless a non-Jew lives in Israel, none of the Mosaic law is considered as an obligation for non-Jews. Another difference is that Judaism is for Jews, and Judaism does not try to convert non-Jews to Judaism.  

 

Since I believe in Jesus, I do believe it is our obligation to share the gospel, hoping others come to belief.  

 

Just for my own understanding, Christianity historically has wanted laws passed which make non-Christians conform in action to Christian 'laws'. In the U.S., prohibition (not allowing any alchoholic beverages), was a mainly Christian movement. Laws were passed which forbid the production or consumption of alchoholic drinks. It didn't last that long. But, how was that different then a Muslim wanting restaurants to cater to their needs?

[OakWood]

 

 

I am not an expert on Halal, so I am looking up the laws.

 

The animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim, 'in the name of Allah', “Bismillah”. 

 

It must be stored separately and not come in contact with forbidden meats or substances. The storage area must be properly cleaned to ensure there are no leftover traces of forbidden meats or substances. If Halal is anything like Kosher, a designated/certified Muslim must do periodic inspections of the restaurant to make sure it is in compliance (for a fee).

 

So, the basic requirement would involve a minimum of two Muslim jobs. 

 

For Kosher, the animal must be slaughtered by a certified Jewish person. The facilities which are Kosher need to be inspected by a Rabbi to receive a Kosher certification (for a fee). And there must be a Jewish person (chef) supervising all cooking.

 

Kosher has more rules then Halal. The Kosher blessing before slaughter isn't a statement like 'in God's name'.  It is ''Blessed are You, Hashem, our God, Sovereign of the universe, Who has commanded us regarding shechitah."  Shechitah is the method of ritual slaughter,

 

 

The fundamental differences between kosher and halal is that Jews never make demands on other people. If they find a business that doesn't provide kosher food, they'll go elsewhere.

Jews never mind somebody sitting next to them eating bacon. Muslims on the other hand will complain about it.

Halal is just another form of Muslim bullying. They expect to be prioritised above everyone else.

 

 

In todays world, people in general are more likely to demand that others accomodate them, or comply with their views.

 

There are a couple of things in Judaism which are different then both Islam and Christianity. First, Judaism views the Mosaic law as given to Jewish people. Unless a non-Jew lives in Israel, none of the Mosaic law is considered as an obligation for non-Jews. Another difference is that Judaism is for Jews, and Judaism does not try to convert non-Jews to Judaism.  

 

Since I believe in Jesus, I do believe it is our obligation to share the gospel, hoping others come to belief.  

 

Just for my own understanding, Christianity historically has wanted laws past which make non-Christians conform in action to Christian 'laws'. In the U.S., prohibition (not allowing any alchoholic beverages), was a mainly Christian movement. Laws were passed which forbid the production or consumption of alchoholic drinks. It didn't last that long. But, how was that different then a Muslim wanting restaurants to cater to their needs?

 

 

A big difference. It doesn't matter what a Christian group did in the U.S., the Bible doesn't tell us to enforce our laws on other people, yet the Q'uran demands that non-Muslims respect non-Muslims. Halal food is just another form of creeping Sharia.