Has everyone who ever lived before Jesus gone to hell?

[Schouwenaars]

You seem to be blaming God for what man has done.  God only created one Body, which is in Christ Jesus.  Man has divided this body according to their personal held doctrine.  When man reads scripture, the same Holy Spirit is there to reach them.  If they refuse to follow Him, and create a new belief, they are choosing their belief over God.

 

but, everyone before the birth of Jesus could not possibly folow Him of course. So they all were automaticly doomed to go to hell, for not folowing someone who has not been born yet? The Jewish belief for exemple already existed before Jesus' birth, so it is not newly created.

And everyone who ever lived before Jesus has gone to hell? This just crossed my mind...

Edited June 5, 2014 by ncn
Moved to a more appropriate forum

[Guest]

Before

 

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

 

His Birth

 

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

 

The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

 

Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

 

He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

 

Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

 

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

 

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

 

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

 

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

 

Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

 

Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

 

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.

 

Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. Psalms 2

 

He Was

 

I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

 

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. John 17:4-5

 

~

 

You seem to be blaming God for what man has done.  God only created one Body, which is in Christ Jesus.  Man has divided this body according to their personal held doctrine.  When man reads scripture, the same Holy Spirit is there to reach them.  If they refuse to follow Him, and create a new belief, they are choosing their belief over God.

 

but, everyone before the birth of Jesus could not possibly follow Him of course.

 

So they all were automatically doomed to go to hell,

 

or not following someone who has not been born yet?

 

The Jewish belief for example already existed before Jesus' birth, so it is not newly created.

 

And everyone who ever lived before Jesus has gone to hell?

 

This just crossed my mind...

 

~

 

Some Men So Hated The LORD God Of Abraham, Isaac And Jacob

 

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death. Proverbs 8:36

 

That Their Minds Got All Crossed Up

 

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
 

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 1 Corinthians 4:3-4

 

And They Dreamed

 

The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. Jeremiah 31:2

 

He Failed

 

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

 

See?

 

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered:

 

for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said,

 

and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Joel 2:32

 

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Believe

 

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5:8

 

And Be Blessed Beloved

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

Love, Your Brother Joe

[OneLight]

 

You seem to be blaming God for what man has done.  God only created one Body, which is in Christ Jesus.  Man has divided this body according to their personal held doctrine.  When man reads scripture, the same Holy Spirit is there to reach them.  If they refuse to follow Him, and create a new belief, they are choosing their belief over God.

 

but, everyone before the birth of Jesus could not possibly folow Him of course. So they all were automaticly doomed to go to hell, for not folowing someone who has not been born yet? The Jewish belief for exemple already existed before Jesus' birth, so it is not newly created.

And everyone who ever lived before Jesus has gone to hell? This just crossed my mind...

 

 

Have you not read about Abraham's Bosom? 

[Guest]

Jesus, is not absent in the Old Testament. It is by faith we are saved. Abraham believed God, at it was counted as righteousness. Salvation has always been the same way, by grace, through faith.

 

Before Jesus came as a man, believing God was less specific, placing your trust in God and believing what He has revealed could at one time, been a very simple faith, in places where the gospel has not been preached, it still may be. I think we can know, that God is fair, and that God wants all to be saved.

 

However, when people reject God, reject what little light they have been given, they have also been judged for their sins on that basis. When a person, isolated from the gospel, looks up at a stary night sky, and comprehends the vastness and the power, and is awestruck, he/she has in a small way recognized on some level that this all just did not spring into existence from nothing. So then if one concocts an idea that it did just that, or makes up a story about a pantheon of gods, or believed that some idol carved by man, is the creator, such a person has accepted something they should know is not true. If they do not marvel at creation and then seek to know the creator, they have rejected that creator and are without excuse. 

 

A person does not go to Hell for failure to believe in Jesus, he/she goes to Hell for rejecting Gods right to dictate behavior. People have a conscience, and when they sin by doing something they know instinctively is wrong, they have rejected God and chosen to be separated from Him. On the other hand, those who seek him, and desire to search out His ways are exercising faith and God can grant them salvation through His grace.

 

In these last times, everyone you know, who can communicate, has opportunity to learn about God in general and Jesus in particular.

 

Everyone reading this forum, is certainly without excuse, and likely all they talk to, are likewise without excuse.

[Jerry1023]

If i got your question correctly:and i believe your question demand an answer:"No" the bible said God took Elijah to Heaven,it is written in the mountain of transfiguration,Moses and Elijah appeared to Him,where does this two men that appeared to Jesus from,Hell or heaven?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

You seem to be blaming God for what man has done.  God only created one Body, which is in Christ Jesus.  Man has divided this body according to their personal held doctrine.  When man reads scripture, the same Holy Spirit is there to reach them.  If they refuse to follow Him, and create a new belief, they are choosing their belief over God.

 

but, everyone before the birth of Jesus could not possibly folow Him of course. So they all were automaticly doomed to go to hell, for not folowing someone who has not been born yet? The Jewish belief for exemple already existed before Jesus' birth, so it is not newly created.

And everyone who ever lived before Jesus has gone to hell? This just crossed my mind...

 

That view is based on the erroneous notion that salvation was only available after Jesus died on the cross.  But salvation by grace through faith dates all the way back to Adam and Eve.  Faith has always been credited to the OT as righteousness.  So even people in the OT could go to heaven by placing their faith in the promised Redeemer.  They may not have known His Name, but that doesn't matter.  What matter is that they place their trust in God's promise and that faith was credited to their account as righteousness.  The Bible says in Galatians 3 that the Gospel was preached to Abraham..

[mevosper]

That view is based on the erroneous notion that salvation was only available after Jesus died on the cross.  But salvation by grace through faith dates all the way back to Adam and Eve.  Faith has always been credited to the OT as righteousness.  So even people in the OT could go to heaven by placing their faith in the promised Redeemer.  They may not have known His Name, but that doesn't matter.  What matter is that they place their trust in God's promise and that faith was credited to their account as righteousness.  The Bible says in Galatians 3 that the Gospel was preached to Abraham..

  this!

 

What Christ's sacrifice did, and what is pictured throughout the feasts (especially Passover), was to ultimately pay the price and wash clean the inner man. Obviously, the blood of animals cannot do this. Only Christ's blood. Because of his sacrifice, we can enter heaven, because our spirit has been washed in the blood. 

 

Old Testament saints believed and hoped to not be left in the grave (Psalm 16:10,  Psalm 30:3, Psalm 49:15). Job also, even being a gentile, believed in God and asked that he be remembered after the wrath (Job 14:13). But because of sin, he (Job) could not enter into heaven until the ultimate price/sacrifice had been paid. This price was paid by Christ. 

 

My belief is the souls under the altar in Revelation 6:9-11, the ones that receive the white robes, are those saints of the Old Testament. Once Christ died on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice, the Old Testament believers (prophets, saints, great and small) where given their reward, their robes of righteousness, and made clean. 

 

So, to answer your question, they went to the grave with the hope of salvation, which came when Christ sacrificed and spilled his blood for all.