babylonisfalling Posted June 27, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 11 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/26/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 27, 2014 Fluffy clouds and harps aside, what is heaven really like and what is it's true location? Based on a Belinda Carlisle song dating back to 1987, heaven is a place on earth. It was a great song, it was very sweet, but not very convincing in a theological sense. It did serve to highlight the age old question though, where is this place we go to when we die and what is it like there? Two thousand years ago in Luke 17:21, Jesus Christ spoke of the Kingdom of God, which is a term considered interchangeable and synonymous with the Kingdom of Heaven. Christ told us in that verse that this Kingdom of God (or heaven) is within us, interpreted by some as amidst us. But regardless of which interpretation you use it means the same thing, the Kingdom of God, and heaven has already been with us, right here on earth for a long, long time. The experts of Christ's era were apparently missing that fact, just as we seem to be in our modern era. But with all out angst, poverty, war and injustice, how can heaven possibly be here on earth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 27, 2014 Share Posted June 27, 2014 The article is flawed in that it appears that the author assumes Heaven (God's abode) is the same as the "Kingdom of Heaven." Those are not the same thing. Heaven is a place that Jesus said He was going to in order to prepare a place for us (John 14:1-3) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnlove Posted June 28, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 127 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/19/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/19/1934 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Fluffy clouds and harps aside, what is heaven really like and what is it's true location? Based on a Belinda Carlisle song dating back to 1987, heaven is a place on earth. It was a great song, it was very sweet, but not very convincing in a theological sense. It did serve to highlight the age old question though, where is this place we go to when we die and what is it like there? Two thousand years ago in Luke 17:21, Jesus Christ spoke of the Kingdom of God, which is a term considered interchangeable and synonymous with the Kingdom of Heaven. Christ told us in that verse that this Kingdom of God (or heaven) is within us, interpreted by some as amidst us. But regardless of which interpretation you use it means the same thing, the Kingdom of God, and heaven has already been with us, right here on earth for a long, long time. The experts of Christ's era were apparently missing that fact, just as we seem to be in our modern era. But with all out angst, poverty, war and injustice, how can heaven possibly be here on earth? No heaven is not on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 ....Fluffy clouds and harps aside, what is heaven really like and what is it's true location.... ....Two thousand years ago in Luke 17:21, Jesus Christ spoke of the Kingdom of God, which is a term considered interchangeable and synonymous with the Kingdom of Heaven..... ....Christ told us in that verse that this Kingdom of God (or heaven) is within us, interpreted by some as amidst us.... ....But regardless of which interpretation you use it means the same thing.... ....the Kingdom of God, and heaven has already been with us, right here on earth for a long, long time.... ....The experts of Christ's era were apparently missing that fact, just as we seem to be in our modern era..... ....But with all out angst, poverty, war and injustice.... ....how can heaven possibly be here on earth.... ....No, heaven is not on earth.... Heaven? And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. Revelation 22:3-4 It Is After And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Revelation 20:11 The Cosmos But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 2 Peter 3:10 So Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17 Where's The Beef? The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city! And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate. Revelation 18:15-19 Boo Hoo~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnlove Posted June 28, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 127 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/19/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/19/1934 Share Posted June 28, 2014 (John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.” Is not God’s home the kingdom of God? Jesus told us that Heaven and Earth would pass away. Seems he was telling us Heaven was separate from Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted June 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2014 Blessings Everyone, Heaven probably is right here but perhaps it is in another realm,merely another dimension.........ahhh,sweet mysteries of God,as long as I am in it & with my Lord I do not care where Heaven is......... With love-in Christ,Kwik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Posted June 28, 2014 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,665 Content Per Day: 0.46 Reputation: 512 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/11/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2014 (edited) Blessings Everyone, Heaven probably is right here but perhaps it is in another realm,merely another dimension.........ahhh,sweet mysteries of God,as long as I am in it & with my Lord I do not care where Heaven is......... With love-in Christ,Kwik I'm glad to finally hear someone else besides me use that idea of "dimension". That's exactly how God's Word describes it, being behind a vail (see Isaiah 25). Edited June 28, 2014 by Salty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted June 28, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,136 Content Per Day: 4.63 Reputation: 27,817 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted June 28, 2014 Blessings Salty... I realize these are speculation but this is what I think.......I mean God is not bound by space or time,there is a spirit realm,,,,,I believe Jesus walked from one dimension to the other in the upper room...............I don;t mean to sound like a sci-fi movie but we are only beginning ......... 1 Corinthians 13:12 (KJ21) | In Context | Whole Chapter 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; but then shall I know, even as also I am known. to take a peek..... With love in Christ,Kwik King James Bible Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you John 20:19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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