other one Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,840 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2014 I ask this because I really don't know..... what percent of the population in Israel are actually religious... How many are Christian? I can't believe I don't know that but I don't... I'd say less than 1% are Christian. As for how many are religious, it depends on what your definition of religious is. Does it mean people who punch a clock going to synagogue every week, or what? I'm not sure how to answer that.... I think people who really believe and follow the laws as much as they can without a temple. I guess a better question would be how many are secular.... just relate to their Jewishness but not involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted July 17, 2014 can Gods presences ever be in the temple until Jesus returns..... I don't think I've ever pondered that. Is not God's presence always on the site of the Temple? That's why nobody has ever been permitted to build any other place of worship to false gods on that very spot. But....isn't the Dome of the Rock built on that spot? That would be a place of worship of a false god. The Dome of the Rock is not on that spot. It's next to it. It's not so much that God's presence is there (although it probably is), it's that God has reserved that spot for himself until the 3rd Temple is built. Nobody has ever been allowed to build a temple to false gods on that spot. Even Herod's false temple was next to it but not on it. People have walked over the spot but false worship has been prevented from happening there. The exception will be the Tribulation where Satan will be allowed to claim the spot for seven years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.86 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted July 17, 2014 What a good discussion. Now where does it say that the temple that the Anti-Christ sets himself up in has to be on Mount Moriah? Also where does it say that the third temple has to be built before the Millennium? (I agree with you Spock on that) Inferencing I suppose- These future events will happen: - the abomination of desolation - resuming of sacrifices Seems to me you need a temple for those two things. I know you think they already have one, but I don't see that, so, it seems one will be provided that will allow for animal sacrifices, red heifer and all that good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted July 17, 2014 So, when did Israel return to the Old Covenant? When did the sacrifces for sin begin. Where are the Red calves without blemish? Israel, as a people/nation, is still obligated to the Mosaic covenant. That hasn't changed since Israel received the Mosaic covenant. They are not always obedient, and there have been other times when sacrifices were not possible (Babylonian exhile), but Israel is still obligated. On the side, they do have a red heifer. The nation of Israel has not returned to the OT Covenant. Being obligated does not mean practicing. There is no sacrifice for sin happening now as there is no Temple that has been accepted by GOD. It has not been built yet and will not be built where the Temple Mount mosque stands. Jews can't even pray there and there are riots by the Arabs everytime they try. The Mosque is not where the Temple was. They can build a temple next to the mosque. Who cares if Muslims riot anyway? They won't be in a position to riot after the Ezekiel 38 war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,200 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hi Spock, Fact - Jerusalem has a temple / synagogue. They have a red heifer. They have the utensils. They are training up their priests. The time is closer than we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.24 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 2.00 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hi Spock, Fact - Jerusalem has a temple / synagogue. They have a red heifer. They have the utensils. They are training up their priests. The time is closer than we think. Will the red heifer live long enough though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,200 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 `How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply .....` (Dan. 8: 13) The red heifer or another will eventually be sacrificed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hi Spock, Fact - Jerusalem has a temple / synagogue. They have a red heifer. They have the utensils. They are training up their priests. The time is closer than we think. Fact - Israel does not have a temple. Synagogues and temples are not interchangeable concepts. You are trying to claim that the Knesset is the end time temple and that is simply not the truth. You are mistaken in your assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted July 17, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,200 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 We will see Shiloh 357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 We will see Shiloh 357 No, the facts are already out there. I have shown in previous posts why your approach to this is mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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