PR tactics of hamas

[Guest shiloh357]

Shiloh, did I say anything false in my first post? Did I lie? Did I direct my criticism (as much levelled against our government as theirs) at Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

I bear no hatred willingly, and when I see that hate has taken root there I remind myself that I have been admonished to love all people. God alone knows that I do not want to love those Hamas members who kill Israelis, and I do not want to love those Israelis who kill Gazans. But this isn't about what I want. This is about God's will in my life.

You can accuse me of anger, pride, despair, and a host of other sins - sins I will answer for. But don't you dare accuse me of hating Jews or Muslims or atheists or anyone else. I examine my heart. There is no Jew, no Greek, no free or slave, no man or woman, only Christ Jesus. And in my mind if I hate the least of these, I hate Christ himself.

It's the overall spirit of your post and the implication that Israel can feel free to murder people with the help of the US.  The nonsense about the USS Liberty and conspiracy theory garbage that surrounds that.  

 

It's all the usual line of people with an anti-Semitic bent toward Israel.

[jdxp]

 

Shiloh, did I say anything false in my first post? Did I lie? Did I direct my criticism (as much levelled against our government as theirs) at Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

I bear no hatred willingly, and when I see that hate has taken root there I remind myself that I have been admonished to love all people. God alone knows that I do not want to love those Hamas members who kill Israelis, and I do not want to love those Israelis who kill Gazans. But this isn't about what I want. This is about God's will in my life.

You can accuse me of anger, pride, despair, and a host of other sins - sins I will answer for. But don't you dare accuse me of hating Jews or Muslims or atheists or anyone else. I examine my heart. There is no Jew, no Greek, no free or slave, no man or woman, only Christ Jesus. And in my mind if I hate the least of these, I hate Christ himself.

It's the overall spirit of your post and the implication that Israel can feel free to murder people with the help of the US.  The nonsense about the USS Liberty and conspiracy theory garbage that surrounds that.  

 

It's all the usual line of people with an anti-Semitic bent toward Israel.

 

 

The overall spirit of my post is that a lot of people are dying, that Israel has its own PR machinery in motion, and that we give inordinate support to Israel. Do you deny that I said those things? Tell me honestly, do you deny that AIPAC has a lot of influence in Congress? Do you think they are bringing pressure to bear or not? 

 

I said of the Liberty that I was surprised the Israelis compensated the victims. Did I mention a conspiracy? Did I say anything of the sort? What did I say? That I was surprised.

 

Do you honestly think Israel would be so bold if they didn't have US backing? We veto UN resolutions and keep nations in check who would otherwise bring more pressure to bear on the Israeli government.

 

And why does criticizing Israel make me anti-Semitic? Am I a Russophobe because I condemn their arming Ukrainian separatists?

 

I am a pacificist, so please tell me why I should keep my mouth shut when my government arms a state that is actively involved in armed conflict? My taxes are helping to kill people halfway across the world. Should I just keep my mouth shut because it's Israel that's getting guns and bombs?

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

Shiloh, did I say anything false in my first post? Did I lie? Did I direct my criticism (as much levelled against our government as theirs) at Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

I bear no hatred willingly, and when I see that hate has taken root there I remind myself that I have been admonished to love all people. God alone knows that I do not want to love those Hamas members who kill Israelis, and I do not want to love those Israelis who kill Gazans. But this isn't about what I want. This is about God's will in my life.

You can accuse me of anger, pride, despair, and a host of other sins - sins I will answer for. But don't you dare accuse me of hating Jews or Muslims or atheists or anyone else. I examine my heart. There is no Jew, no Greek, no free or slave, no man or woman, only Christ Jesus. And in my mind if I hate the least of these, I hate Christ himself.

It's the overall spirit of your post and the implication that Israel can feel free to murder people with the help of the US.  The nonsense about the USS Liberty and conspiracy theory garbage that surrounds that.  

 

It's all the usual line of people with an anti-Semitic bent toward Israel.

 

 

I am a pacificist,

And there is a huge problem right there.  Pacifists embolden evil, particularly terrorists.  In some ways pacifism is worse than terrorism.

[jdxp]

There can be no meaningful discussion here. You might as well say I'm worse than al Qaeda, and all because I renounce violence! Do you hear what you're saying? And how is fighting fire with fire working out? We stamped out al Qaeda,er...well no, didn't. Got the Taliban at least...er, no, not them either. But one thing is clear, there are no more terrorists in Iraq. Oh, wait. What did violence solve there?

Maybe you're right. The earliest Christians took up the sword and fought the Roman state. Oh...shoot. that's right, they didn't. But Paul definitely threw a punch before he was beheaded. No? Jesus called down ten thousand angels to destroy his persecutors. Still no? Dang it. But Peter did cut someone's ear off...of course, he was admonished for it.

I must be a bad Christian for renouncing violence.

 I'm done here.

[Guest shiloh357]

There can be no meaningful discussion here. You might as well say I'm worse than al Qaeda, and all because I renounce violence! Do you hear what you're saying? And how is fighting fire with fire working out? We stamped out al Qaeda,er...well no, didn't. Got the Taliban at least...er, no, not them either. But one thing is clear, there are no more terrorists in Iraq. Oh, wait. What did violence solve there?

Maybe you're right. The earliest Christians took up the sword and fought the Roman state. Oh...shoot. that's right, they didn't. But Paul definitely threw a punch before he was beheaded. No? Jesus called down ten thousand angels to destroy his persecutors. Still no? Dang it. But Peter did cut someone's ear off...of course, he was admonished for it.

I must be a sucky Christian for renouncing violence.

tl;dr I'm done here.

Pacifism creates victims. Pacifism leave innocent people vulnerable to the immorality of criminals and terrorists.    Pacifism isn't Christian at all.  Pacifism is a secular concept not taught in the Bible.  There is nothing Christian about Pacifism.  

[ayin jade]

 If our citizens in the US were victims of rocket attacks from Mexico, the US would be in Mexico and we would be taking out the launchers and we would be striking in any location from which those rockets were being fired, including civilian locations. 

 

I hate to say this shiloh, but the example of mexico is not one in which the us would defend itself. Anyplace else perhaps but not from mexico.

[ayin jade]

 

I am a pacificist

 

 

For a pacifist, you seem intent on picking a fight.

[Guest]

Israel doesn't really need any PR.

 

So long as our government kowtows to Tel Aviv the Israelis could kill ten thousand,

 

they could execute children in the street,

 

and they would have no reason to fear.

 

I'm thoroughly surprised they paid a single penny in resitution for the victims of the USS Liberty.

 

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Beloved, I Think You Are Mixing Hamas Up With Israel

 

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

 

And

As For Restitution

As Far As I Know The USS Liberty

Was Gathering Real Time Israeli Battle Information

And Relaying It To Egypt Through The British On The Rock Of Gibraltar

 

Some Friend Huh?

 

Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jeremiah 17:5

 

And I'm Proud Of Both My Navy And My Service In Her.... Mostly

 

Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. Jeremiah 17:7