THE SEVEN TRUMPETS,AND THE SEVEN VIALS.

[OneLight]

The 6th seal is EXACTLY what John portrays it to be: the "opening salvo" of the Day of the Lord. Not as easy to see, but still truth, it is also Paul's "sudden destruction."

 

The 7th trumpet is also exactly what John portrays it to be: the MARKER for the midpoint of the week. It is the END of 6000 years of man ruling the earth and the beginning of the 1000 years of God ruling the earth. God is not a liar. God gave the ruler-ship, authority and dominion of this planet to Adam, and when Satan deceived Eve and Adam sinned, Satan USURPED Adam's authority and became the "god of this present world."  John shows us that at the 7th trumpet Satan's ruler-ship ENDS and the kingdoms of the world are transferred to Jesus Christ the KING. There is nothing here that even hints at a "coming" of the Lord. All this will take place in the supreme court of LAW, IN HEAVEN.

 

LAMAD

How do you see the last trumpet mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53?

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The last trumpet mentioned in scripture is the 7th trumpet.

[Defending the Name]

If I could be allowed to answer the question as well to:

How do you see the last trumpet mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:51-53?

This signals the last day and hour in the earthly body for the faithful in Christ. As Jesus said I will raise you up on your last day. The context is upon death, for it is written:

Hebrews 9:15-17

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Everyone has a different last trumpet when they live out their last day and hour in the earthly body to be presented before The Lord for judgement. So the central theme of the last trumpet in the Corinthians versus above is upon death. Our last trumpet sounds when we individually one by one die to be presented before The Lord at his appearing for judgment.

Saint Paul as a testator/witness to the gospel in the versus below, was ready to depart, meaning to be killed. He pointed to imminent death, followed by judgements the presence of The Lord. Yet he had the confidence of immediately receiving his internal inheritance as recorded in Hebrews 9:15-17 upon death, which was THAT DAY in context to him being killed. Saint Paul's last day in the earthly body was THAT DAY, where the last trumpet blew when he finished the race and at the same time kept the faith onto death. Just like a Yacht Race has a siren sounding when the winners cross over the finishing line, the symbol of the last trumpet signals the end of the race for that departed faithful. In this context Saint Paul also comforts those faithful who will continue to live in their earthly bodies that THEY TO, will also be presented before The Lord to receive their eternal inheritance as TESTATORS when they die at the Lord's appearing.

2 Timothy 4:6-8

6For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

The last trumpet in this regard is our last day in the body, where we sign off with our own blood according to Hebrews 9:15-17 under the blood covenant and also drink from the bitter cup of Christ, that symbolises death. We must go through the cycle of death before we can be restored in the new heavenly form to be with Christ otherwise as Saint Paul stated previously in:

2 Corinthians 5:8

Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

The last trumpet is not to be confused with the seventh trumpet that the seventh angel, who is The Lord blows when he declares time no longer.

The last trumpet for the faithful is when they die and is upon death, signalling that they have finished the race. The seventh trumpet declares the end of the world as we know it.

[Serving]

Hi LAMAD,

 

I think you need to read what I was saying one more time and I think you will realize that this statement of yours has already been addressed:

 

 

 

Nice trick, slipping verses from chapter 15 right in the list of verses from chapter 8, AS IF THEY WERE MEANT TO BE PUT TOGETHER.

However, John did not put them together. Did you notice how John wrote if it was the same angel he had seen before? Rev. 17:1 John wrote "Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me,"  And again in 21:9; "Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me,"  John does not say that with any of the trumpet angels. We could guess then that the vial angels are different than the trumpet angels.

 

What happens when one of the plague and vial angels pours out his vial? That is the plague associated with the vial. What event actually happens is the plague, and the vial shows that the plague is coming from God's wrath.

 

THERE IS NO NEED to  rearrange the book!

 

 

 

However, if for some reason you don't notice it, again, then I will gladly go over it, again.

 

 

 

if we study, we will see that the events of the vials are DIFFERENT than the events of the trumpets, and cannot be talking of the same events.

 

 

 

Again, if you go over what I was saying one more time, I think you will find that this has already addressed in my explanation.

 

 

Oh, and LAMAD, one last thing friend,  you made a BIG error saying this:

 

 

In other words, something read in a given chapter, say chapter 11, will ALWAYS be after the events of the previous chapter. We are not allowed to mix them up or rearrange them. Anyway, you desire to rearrange to fit your theory. Why not form your theory from what is written and in the order it is written? Wouldn't that make more sense?

 

 

If you want to take it back, we can forget you said it, no harm done...otherwise... I will use it against you...lol...up to you!

 

Cheers.

[ARGOSY]

 

 

How to show that the seals, trumpets and vials are three different events, each having their own seven events in them? The only way I can do this is with an analogy, since people do not accept how it is laid out in scripture.

There is a door in front of me with a sign on it that says "Seals". The door is open and I walk through. As I continue to walk, I see seven separate events unfolding, starting with the first seal and ending with the seventh seal, which the events I witnessed was alarming. At the end of the seventh seal, I saw another door that is now open, titled Trumpets. I walk through the door and as I continue to walk, I see seven more events unfold before me, starting with the first and ending with the seventh. These events were shocking, much more then the first seven seals events. During these events, I was also shown what took place, what is taking place and what will take place. At the end, I see another door titled Vials/Bowls. I walk through this door and as I continued to the end, I witness seven more events. These events are devastating, the wrath of God being poured out onto the unbelieving world. At the end of this I heard a loud voice claim “It is done!”, then another door appeared titled The Millennium, which was opened to walk through.

How scripture is written shows the seventh seal opens the first trumpet, and the seventh trumpet the first vial/bowl. The are not opened side by side, but in sequence. Some of the events may sound similar, but that does not equate that they are the same. Just as a parent punishes a child for continuing to misbehave, so is God punishing His creation. At first, the parent talks to the child until it is evident the child is not listening, so a warning is given ... do this again and I will have to punish you. When the child does it again, the child receives an easy punishment to get their attention. When they refuse correction, the same punishment is given, but more severely. When the child still refuses correction, the same punishment is delivered with even more severity. Each is the same kind of punishment, but they are all delivered at different times with increasing severity. So are the events in the seals, trumpets and vials/bowls.

Of course these "consecutive visions" are easy to understand, without need for an analogy. I just feel the text itself is showing 3 visions leading up to the second coming, instead of one long vision of ~21 events leading up to the second coming.

 

If this 6th seal event isn't the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g]wrath has come, and who can withstand it?

 

Also if this 7th trumpet event is not the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

 

“The kingdom of the world has become

    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

 

 

The Second Coming of Christ is at the last trump.  The problem, as I see it, is when people try to overlay the three different events when scripture does not.  When a person looks only at scripture, and not how we can arrange scripture to fit our understanding, we do see that scripture lays it out as it will happen.  The 6th seal shows the lost, hiding in fear, as they are beginning to see that Gods wrath is coming.  Nowhere does it point to the rapture.

 

 

I noticed you didn't actually offer any explanation of the two verses I quoted.  

[Montana Marv]

The 6th Seal cannot be the Second Coming.  Why;  Because there is a 7th Seal which follows.  Where does Armageddon fit in if all are hiding.  After the 6th Seal, the Wrath is just beginning for those still on earth.  Rev 6:17 - For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?

 

Rev 8...  When he opened the 7th Seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half an hour.  v2 - And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven Trumpets.  And this after the 7th Seal.  Yet these seven angel all sound their trumpets.

 

With the Seals; the Lamb is opening each of them.  Then with the Trumpets, there are 7 angels which sound or blow their trumpets.  Next there are seven angels which pour out vials of Wrath.

 

Now the 1 Thes 4:16  Three things are happening at once.  1.  For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command (verbal, not a trumpet).  2.  With the voice of the archangel (verbal), and  3.  With the Trumpet call of God (a call from God, not an angel).  Then the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we who are still alive will rise to meet them in the air.   What is happening here?  Rejoicing or Mourning.  What happens at the Second Coming?  On needs to look at Zech and all the "On that Days".  And this is the Word of God concerning Israel.  The Second Coming is mainly for Israel, for their inheritance.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Salty]

The 6th Seal cannot be the Second Coming.  Why;  Because there is a 7th Seal which follows.  Where does Armageddon fit in if all are hiding.  After the 6th Seal, the Wrath is just beginning for those still on earth.  Rev 6:17 - For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?

 

Rev 8...  When he opened the 7th Seal, there was silence in heaven for about a half an hour.  v2 - And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven Trumpets.  And this after the 7th Seal.  Yet these seven angel all sound their trumpets.

 

With the Seals; the Lamb is opening each of them.  Then with the Trumpets, there are 7 angels which sound or blow their trumpets.  Next there are seven angels which pour out vials of Wrath.

 

Now the 1 Thes 4:16  Three things are happening at once.  1.  For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command (verbal, not a trumpet).  2.  With the voice of the archangel (verbal), and  3.  With the Trumpet call of God (a call from God, not an angel).  Then the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we who are still alive will rise to meet them in the air.   What is happening here?  Rejoicing or Mourning.  What happens at the Second Coming?  On needs to look at Zech and all the "On that Days".  And this is the Word of God concerning Israel.  The Second Coming is mainly for Israel, for their inheritance.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

You have a problem then, because of the events of 5th & 6th trumpets definitely are about tribulation timing when God's people here on earth go through a time of persecution, and that is not the time of God's wrath that's to occur with the day of Christ's return.

 

Likewise all the way to the 7th vial, the dragon is still in power upon the earth, meaning the event of God's cup of wrath on the day of The Lord with Christ's coming won't happen until the 7th vial. God's wrath through His Son on the day of His return is what that 6th Seal event is about which ends this present world, along with the dragon's reign and the tribulation time.

[ARGOSY]

 

 

How to show that the seals, trumpets and vials are three different events, each having their own seven events in them? The only way I can do this is with an analogy, since people do not accept how it is laid out in scripture.

There is a door in front of me with a sign on it that says "Seals". The door is open and I walk through. As I continue to walk, I see seven separate events unfolding, starting with the first seal and ending with the seventh seal, which the events I witnessed was alarming. At the end of the seventh seal, I saw another door that is now open, titled Trumpets. I walk through the door and as I continue to walk, I see seven more events unfold before me, starting with the first and ending with the seventh. These events were shocking, much more then the first seven seals events. During these events, I was also shown what took place, what is taking place and what will take place. At the end, I see another door titled Vials/Bowls. I walk through this door and as I continued to the end, I witness seven more events. These events are devastating, the wrath of God being poured out onto the unbelieving world. At the end of this I heard a loud voice claim “It is done!”, then another door appeared titled The Millennium, which was opened to walk through.

How scripture is written shows the seventh seal opens the first trumpet, and the seventh trumpet the first vial/bowl. The are not opened side by side, but in sequence. Some of the events may sound similar, but that does not equate that they are the same. Just as a parent punishes a child for continuing to misbehave, so is God punishing His creation. At first, the parent talks to the child until it is evident the child is not listening, so a warning is given ... do this again and I will have to punish you. When the child does it again, the child receives an easy punishment to get their attention. When they refuse correction, the same punishment is given, but more severely. When the child still refuses correction, the same punishment is delivered with even more severity. Each is the same kind of punishment, but they are all delivered at different times with increasing severity. So are the events in the seals, trumpets and vials/bowls.

Of course these "consecutive visions" are easy to understand, without need for an analogy. I just feel the text itself is showing 3 visions leading up to the second coming, instead of one long vision of ~21 events leading up to the second coming.

 

If this 6th seal event isn't the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g]wrath has come, and who can withstand it?

 

Also if this 7th trumpet event is not the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

 

“The kingdom of the world has become

    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

 

 

The Second Coming of Christ is at the last trump.  The problem, as I see it, is when people try to overlay the three different events when scripture does not.  When a person looks only at scripture, and not how we can arrange scripture to fit our understanding, we do see that scripture lays it out as it will happen.  The 6th seal shows the lost, hiding in fear, as they are beginning to see that Gods wrath is coming.  Nowhere does it point to the rapture.

 

 

You are saying the last trump (the 7th trumpet?) is the second coming, but your analogy seemed to describe the 7 bowls occurring after the 7th trumpet. And I have never heard a clear explanation about what you are claiming as an earlier day of wrath when the the one who "sits on the throne" appears to the leaders on earth. What do you envisage happening here:

16 And they called to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on (before) us and hide us from the face of Him Who sits on the throne and from the [d]deep-seated indignation and wrath of the Lamb.17 For the great day of His wrath (vengeance, retribution, indignation) has come, and who is able to stand before it?

My explanation is pretty simple, to me this "day of wrath" is obviously the day of the Lord, the second coming.  How do you fit in an earlier day of wrath into your beliefs?

[ARGOSY]

 

 

How to show that the seals, trumpets and vials are three different events, each having their own seven events in them? The only way I can do this is with an analogy, since people do not accept how it is laid out in scripture.

There is a door in front of me with a sign on it that says "Seals". The door is open and I walk through. As I continue to walk, I see seven separate events unfolding, starting with the first seal and ending with the seventh seal, which the events I witnessed was alarming. At the end of the seventh seal, I saw another door that is now open, titled Trumpets. I walk through the door and as I continue to walk, I see seven more events unfold before me, starting with the first and ending with the seventh. These events were shocking, much more then the first seven seals events. During these events, I was also shown what took place, what is taking place and what will take place. At the end, I see another door titled Vials/Bowls. I walk through this door and as I continued to the end, I witness seven more events. These events are devastating, the wrath of God being poured out onto the unbelieving world. At the end of this I heard a loud voice claim “It is done!”, then another door appeared titled The Millennium, which was opened to walk through.

How scripture is written shows the seventh seal opens the first trumpet, and the seventh trumpet the first vial/bowl. The are not opened side by side, but in sequence. Some of the events may sound similar, but that does not equate that they are the same. Just as a parent punishes a child for continuing to misbehave, so is God punishing His creation. At first, the parent talks to the child until it is evident the child is not listening, so a warning is given ... do this again and I will have to punish you. When the child does it again, the child receives an easy punishment to get their attention. When they refuse correction, the same punishment is given, but more severely. When the child still refuses correction, the same punishment is delivered with even more severity. Each is the same kind of punishment, but they are all delivered at different times with increasing severity. So are the events in the seals, trumpets and vials/bowls.

Of course these "consecutive visions" are easy to understand, without need for an analogy. I just feel the text itself is showing 3 visions leading up to the second coming, instead of one long vision of ~21 events leading up to the second coming.

 

If this 6th seal event isn't the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g]wrath has come, and who can withstand it?

 

Also if this 7th trumpet event is not the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

 

“The kingdom of the world has become

    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

The 6th seal is EXACTLY what John portrays it to be: the "opening salvo" of the Day of the Lord. Not as easy to see, but still truth, it is also Paul's "sudden destruction."

 

The 7th trumpet is also exactly what John portrays it to be: the MARKER for the midpoint of the week. It is the END of 6000 years of man ruling the earth and the beginning of the 1000 years of God ruling the earth. God is not a liar. God gave the ruler-ship, authority and dominion of this planet to Adam, and when Satan deceived Eve and Adam sinned, Satan USURPED Adam's authority and became the "god of this present world."  John shows us that at the 7th trumpet Satan's ruler-ship ENDS and the kingdoms of the world are transferred to Jesus Christ the KING. There is nothing here that even hints at a "coming" of the Lord. All this will take place in the supreme court of LAW, IN HEAVEN.

 

LAMAD

 

 

Aah so you are saying the 7th trumpet is the "marker for the midpoint of the week". So let me clarify,  the kingdom of the world becomes Christ's at the midpoint of the week?  Interesting!?

 

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become

    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

[OneLight]

 

 

 

How to show that the seals, trumpets and vials are three different events, each having their own seven events in them? The only way I can do this is with an analogy, since people do not accept how it is laid out in scripture.

There is a door in front of me with a sign on it that says "Seals". The door is open and I walk through. As I continue to walk, I see seven separate events unfolding, starting with the first seal and ending with the seventh seal, which the events I witnessed was alarming. At the end of the seventh seal, I saw another door that is now open, titled Trumpets. I walk through the door and as I continue to walk, I see seven more events unfold before me, starting with the first and ending with the seventh. These events were shocking, much more then the first seven seals events. During these events, I was also shown what took place, what is taking place and what will take place. At the end, I see another door titled Vials/Bowls. I walk through this door and as I continued to the end, I witness seven more events. These events are devastating, the wrath of God being poured out onto the unbelieving world. At the end of this I heard a loud voice claim “It is done!”, then another door appeared titled The Millennium, which was opened to walk through.

How scripture is written shows the seventh seal opens the first trumpet, and the seventh trumpet the first vial/bowl. The are not opened side by side, but in sequence. Some of the events may sound similar, but that does not equate that they are the same. Just as a parent punishes a child for continuing to misbehave, so is God punishing His creation. At first, the parent talks to the child until it is evident the child is not listening, so a warning is given ... do this again and I will have to punish you. When the child does it again, the child receives an easy punishment to get their attention. When they refuse correction, the same punishment is given, but more severely. When the child still refuses correction, the same punishment is delivered with even more severity. Each is the same kind of punishment, but they are all delivered at different times with increasing severity. So are the events in the seals, trumpets and vials/bowls.

Of course these "consecutive visions" are easy to understand, without need for an analogy. I just feel the text itself is showing 3 visions leading up to the second coming, instead of one long vision of ~21 events leading up to the second coming.

 

If this 6th seal event isn't the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g]wrath has come, and who can withstand it?

 

Also if this 7th trumpet event is not the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

 

“The kingdom of the world has become

    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

 

 

The Second Coming of Christ is at the last trump.  The problem, as I see it, is when people try to overlay the three different events when scripture does not.  When a person looks only at scripture, and not how we can arrange scripture to fit our understanding, we do see that scripture lays it out as it will happen.  The 6th seal shows the lost, hiding in fear, as they are beginning to see that Gods wrath is coming.  Nowhere does it point to the rapture.

 

 

I noticed you didn't actually offer any explanation of the two verses I quoted.  

 

 

I didn't see a question to answer.   What would you like me to address?

[OneLight]

 

 

 

How to show that the seals, trumpets and vials are three different events, each having their own seven events in them? The only way I can do this is with an analogy, since people do not accept how it is laid out in scripture.

There is a door in front of me with a sign on it that says "Seals". The door is open and I walk through. As I continue to walk, I see seven separate events unfolding, starting with the first seal and ending with the seventh seal, which the events I witnessed was alarming. At the end of the seventh seal, I saw another door that is now open, titled Trumpets. I walk through the door and as I continue to walk, I see seven more events unfold before me, starting with the first and ending with the seventh. These events were shocking, much more then the first seven seals events. During these events, I was also shown what took place, what is taking place and what will take place. At the end, I see another door titled Vials/Bowls. I walk through this door and as I continued to the end, I witness seven more events. These events are devastating, the wrath of God being poured out onto the unbelieving world. At the end of this I heard a loud voice claim “It is done!”, then another door appeared titled The Millennium, which was opened to walk through.

How scripture is written shows the seventh seal opens the first trumpet, and the seventh trumpet the first vial/bowl. The are not opened side by side, but in sequence. Some of the events may sound similar, but that does not equate that they are the same. Just as a parent punishes a child for continuing to misbehave, so is God punishing His creation. At first, the parent talks to the child until it is evident the child is not listening, so a warning is given ... do this again and I will have to punish you. When the child does it again, the child receives an easy punishment to get their attention. When they refuse correction, the same punishment is given, but more severely. When the child still refuses correction, the same punishment is delivered with even more severity. Each is the same kind of punishment, but they are all delivered at different times with increasing severity. So are the events in the seals, trumpets and vials/bowls.

Of course these "consecutive visions" are easy to understand, without need for an analogy. I just feel the text itself is showing 3 visions leading up to the second coming, instead of one long vision of ~21 events leading up to the second coming.

 

If this 6th seal event isn't the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g]wrath has come, and who can withstand it?

 

Also if this 7th trumpet event is not the second coming, what event is it:

Rev 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

 

“The kingdom of the world has become

    the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

    and he will reign for ever and ever.”

 

 

 

The Second Coming of Christ is at the last trump.  The problem, as I see it, is when people try to overlay the three different events when scripture does not.  When a person looks only at scripture, and not how we can arrange scripture to fit our understanding, we do see that scripture lays it out as it will happen.  The 6th seal shows the lost, hiding in fear, as they are beginning to see that Gods wrath is coming.  Nowhere does it point to the rapture.

 

 

You are saying the last trump (the 7th trumpet?) is the second coming, but your analogy seemed to describe the 7 bowls occurring after the 7th trumpet. And I have never heard a clear explanation about what you are claiming as an earlier day of wrath when the the one who "sits on the throne" appears to the leaders on earth. What do you envisage happening here:

16 And they called to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on (before) us and hide us from the face of Him Who sits on the throne and from the [d]deep-seated indignation and wrath of the Lamb.17 For the great day of His wrath (vengeance, retribution, indignation) has come, and who is able to stand before it?

My explanation is pretty simple, to me this "day of wrath" is obviously the day of the Lord, the second coming.  How do you fit in an earlier day of wrath into your beliefs?

 

 

I apologize.  I meant to say the rapture will be at the last trumpet, not His second coming.  Jesus will not appear to the world until after the last bowl is poured out and loud voice from heaven states "It is done!".

 

I do not see the seventh trumpet as a mid point of the tribulation.  I see this more toward the end, where God gave His last time statement at the 5th trumpet, claiming it to last 5 months or more.  I believe the bowls will happen quicker then the seals and trumpets.