Which day is the Sabbath and is it still valid today?

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The difference in Sabbath vs. Sabbaths is that the first Sabbath in the ten commandments was not a foreshadowing of Christ but a reminder of when the Lord rested from creation. The commandments; Thou shall not take the Lord thy God's Name in vain, honor thy father and mother, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not murder I simply do not believe were ever done away with but that God wrote them in our heart.

 

That is a false dichotomy.   The Sabbath as stated in the ten commandments is the same Sabbath mentioned in Exodus 31:13-17. The Sabbath day is mentioned in different contexts.   It is a sign between the children of Israel and God.  It is unique among the ten commandments in that way.  The Sabbath is a sign between the children of Israel under the Mosaic Covenant.

 

There are special annual Sabbaths, but all of them point to Jesus in one fashion or another, just like the Sabbath day in the ten commandments.  It shows that you really haven't studied out the significance of the Sabbath day if you can't accept that it foreshadows Jesus.

 

The Sabbath day belongs to the Old Testament economy and pertains to God's relationship with Israel, for ever.  For that reason, it is not problematic for us as Christians to see only nine of the ten commandments as applicable to the Church.   It isn't a question of it being done away with.  It's just that it isn't a part of the NT economy.

 

You are free to keep the Sabbath day if you wish, but you have no business and no right to tell other believers that Sabbath day observance is compulsory upon them.   All genuine followers of Jesus should reject that aspect your claims out of hand.

 

The Law of God was from the Beginning and Adam and Eve were not Israelies or any other nationality. The Law was given to mankind. God will not include the Sabbath Commandment in His Law if He did not think it was a valid law and God does not make mistakes. The Bible also teaches that nothing of the Law may be changed or that we must keep man-made laws.

 

So do you offer a daily burnt offering?  Do you sacrifice sin offerings?

 

No I do not, as that is not part of the Law of God that had to be kept until Jesus comes again.

 

But you just said that nothing of the law may be changed.   Now you say it has been changed.   seems like you don't really know what you believe.

 

You go ahead and try to keep the Law.   I'm a Christian.  I'll just keep putting my trust in Jesus.  'Cause that's what Christians do.

 

There are many who says that they are Christians but disobey the Law of God. The title means nothing if you do not Love God as Jesus said, If you Love God, you WILL obey the Commandments.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The difference in Sabbath vs. Sabbaths is that the first Sabbath in the ten commandments was not a foreshadowing of Christ but a reminder of when the Lord rested from creation. The commandments; Thou shall not take the Lord thy God's Name in vain, honor thy father and mother, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not murder I simply do not believe were ever done away with but that God wrote them in our heart.

 

That is a false dichotomy.   The Sabbath as stated in the ten commandments is the same Sabbath mentioned in Exodus 31:13-17. The Sabbath day is mentioned in different contexts.   It is a sign between the children of Israel and God.  It is unique among the ten commandments in that way.  The Sabbath is a sign between the children of Israel under the Mosaic Covenant.

 

There are special annual Sabbaths, but all of them point to Jesus in one fashion or another, just like the Sabbath day in the ten commandments.  It shows that you really haven't studied out the significance of the Sabbath day if you can't accept that it foreshadows Jesus.

 

The Sabbath day belongs to the Old Testament economy and pertains to God's relationship with Israel, for ever.  For that reason, it is not problematic for us as Christians to see only nine of the ten commandments as applicable to the Church.   It isn't a question of it being done away with.  It's just that it isn't a part of the NT economy.

 

You are free to keep the Sabbath day if you wish, but you have no business and no right to tell other believers that Sabbath day observance is compulsory upon them.   All genuine followers of Jesus should reject that aspect your claims out of hand.

 

The Law of God was from the Beginning and Adam and Eve were not Israelies or any other nationality. The Law was given to mankind. God will not include the Sabbath Commandment in His Law if He did not think it was a valid law and God does not make mistakes. The Bible also teaches that nothing of the Law may be changed or that we must keep man-made laws.

 

So do you offer a daily burnt offering?  Do you sacrifice sin offerings?

 

No I do not, as that is not part of the Law of God that had to be kept until Jesus comes again.

 

But you just said that nothing of the law may be changed.   Now you say it has been changed.   seems like you don't really know what you believe.

 

You go ahead and try to keep the Law.   I'm a Christian.  I'll just keep putting my trust in Jesus.  'Cause that's what Christians do.

 

There are many who says that they are Christians but disobey the Law of God. The title means nothing if you do not Love God as Jesus said, If you Love God, you WILL obey the Commandments.

 

Being a Christian means that you trust in Jesus for salvation, not that you keep the Law.   My salvation is rooted in faith in Christ.   He kept the law perfectly and He fufills the righteousness of it within me in the person of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:4).  

 

You go ahead and trust in the law.  You keep trying to be good enough.   I will trust in Jesus alone for my salvation.

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I do not see the Sabbath mentioned in NT

 

Matthew 22

36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”

37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’

38 This is the first and great commandment. 

39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’

40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Eph 6:2

Honor thy father and mother  

Matt 19: 18

He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,    

Matt 19: 19

Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.                    

Mark 10: 19

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Luke 10: 27

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Luke 10: 28

he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

John 13: 34

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.  

John 14: 15

If ye love me, keep my commandments. 

John 15: 10

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 15: 12

This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

John 15: 13

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

John 15: 14

Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15: 17

These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Romans 10:10

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

John 3:7

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

 

 

Hebrews 10:16

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Romans 3:31

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

1 Thessalonians 4:9

 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

Romans 13:8, 9, 10

8 Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9  For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10  Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Colos 2: 16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Mark 1: 27

And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? What new doctrine is this? For with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.

You make a statement to say that the Sabbath Commandment is not quoted in the NT.

Why do you think were all the other commandments spelt out, whilst Jesus talked about Love only?

The answer is quite simple.

Love is the summary of the Law or put differently, you need to live out the Law to show your Love. The Ten Commandments are divided into two sections, the first four Commandments point to the Love to God, and the last six to the Love to your neighbour.

When a reference is made ie.

John 14: 15

If ye love me, keep my commandments.  (quoted by yourself)

 

it includes the Sabbath Commandment. It does not have to spell each Commandment out to you before you have to believe in it.

It is there. The Commandment is just the Bigger picture that need to see.

All the Commandments are important in God's eyes but the Sabbath is the only one that is ignored throughout the world today and Satan exploit this to achieve his goals.

[Guest shiloh357]

You make a statement to say that the Sabbath Commandment is not quoted in the NT.

Why do you think were all the other commandments spelt out, whilst Jesus talked about Love only?

The answer is quite simple.

Love is the summary of the Law or put differently, you need to live out the Law to show your Love. The Ten Commandments are divided into two sections, the first four Commandments point to the Love to God, and the last six to the Love to your neighbour.

When a reference is made ie.

John 14: 15

If ye love me, keep my commandments.  (quoted by yourself)

 

it includes the Sabbath Commandment. It does not have to spell each Commandment out to you before you have to believe in it.

It is there. The Commandment is just the Bigger picture that need to see.

All the Commandments are important in God's eyes but the Sabbath is the only one that is ignored throughout the world today and Satan exploit this to achieve his goals.

 

Jesus never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath.   Jesus commandments center around conduct/ethics, not the Sabbath day.

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The Sabbath that you are referring to is not the same as the one that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath in the Ten Commandments refers to the first seventh day of creation where God has blessed and holied that specific day and He thought it wise that it be included in the Ten Commandments. Paul commented on the Commandments that it be held until Jesus comes again and most of the disciples and Jesus confirmed that by holding the Commandments you are showing your love to God and your neighbour. If you therefore ignore the Sabbath Commandment or any Commandment for that matter, you show that you do not love God. Obviously this applies to people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I also do not say that if you do not hold the Sabbath, that you will go to hell.

 

 

 

 

Sorry tff, but that is false teaching.   Paul never commanded the Sabbath be held till Jesus comes.   That is also a misapplication of what Jesus said.   Jesus said that the entire law was summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.  

 

the argument that if you don't keep the Sabbath you don't love God is not in the New Testament.  The New Testament doesn't define our love for God in terms of observance of rituals or feast days.  Rather, our love for God is defined by our willingness to trust in Christ for salvation and live in obedience resulting from salvation, not from a need to keep a set of commandments.

 

You are right about if you don't keep the sabbath, you don't love God is not found in new testament. But Yeshua says In Matt 5:19....if you keep the least of the commandment and teach them do the same also, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of God...like you keep a few and you don't keep others also, you tell people do the same also.....the scripture speaks for it selfs but you keep them and teach them do so the same also, you will be called the great in Kingdom of God.

 

So you would you rather be called the great in Kingdom of God because you follow the commandments of God and tell people do the same also or would you rather be called the least in the Kingdom of God because you keep some parts of the commandments of God and tell people to do the same also?

 

To Love God is to obey His Commandments. Refer to Joh 14:21; Rom 13:8-10; Joh 14:15; Joh 15:9-10; 1 Joh 5:3. By Ignoring His Commandments, you show your NON-LOVE. Paul also did not have to spell each Commandment out when he said in 1 Tim 6:14 that the Commandments be kept until Jesus comes again as he referred to the big picture. He that says that he knows Jesus and do not follow the Commandments are Liars 1 Joh 2:4. Love = Keep the Commandments. Make your choice.

[gigman7]

I've always been taught the sabbath is Saturday but we celebrate the Lords day which is the day he rose from the dead. Which would be Sunday.

The sabbath isn't a specific day of the week as much as once every 7 days.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

 

 

 

 

The Sabbath that you are referring to is not the same as the one that is mentioned in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath in the Ten Commandments refers to the first seventh day of creation where God has blessed and holied that specific day and He thought it wise that it be included in the Ten Commandments. Paul commented on the Commandments that it be held until Jesus comes again and most of the disciples and Jesus confirmed that by holding the Commandments you are showing your love to God and your neighbour. If you therefore ignore the Sabbath Commandment or any Commandment for that matter, you show that you do not love God. Obviously this applies to people who have already accepted Jesus Christ as their Saviour. I also do not say that if you do not hold the Sabbath, that you will go to hell.

 

 

 

 

Sorry tff, but that is false teaching.   Paul never commanded the Sabbath be held till Jesus comes.   That is also a misapplication of what Jesus said.   Jesus said that the entire law was summed up in loving God and loving your neighbor as yourself.  

 

the argument that if you don't keep the Sabbath you don't love God is not in the New Testament.  The New Testament doesn't define our love for God in terms of observance of rituals or feast days.  Rather, our love for God is defined by our willingness to trust in Christ for salvation and live in obedience resulting from salvation, not from a need to keep a set of commandments.

 

You are right about if you don't keep the sabbath, you don't love God is not found in new testament. But Yeshua says In Matt 5:19....if you keep the least of the commandment and teach them do the same also, you will be called the least in the Kingdom of God...like you keep a few and you don't keep others also, you tell people do the same also.....the scripture speaks for it selfs but you keep them and teach them do so the same also, you will be called the great in Kingdom of God.

 

So you would you rather be called the great in Kingdom of God because you follow the commandments of God and tell people do the same also or would you rather be called the least in the Kingdom of God because you keep some parts of the commandments of God and tell people to do the same also?

 

To Love God is to obey His Commandments. Refer to Joh 14:21; Rom 13:8-10; Joh 14:15; Joh 15:9-10; 1 Joh 5:3. By Ignoring His Commandments, you show your NON-LOVE. Paul also did not have to spell each Commandment out when he said in 1 Tim 6:14 that the Commandments be kept until Jesus comes again as he referred to the big picture. He that says that he knows Jesus and do not follow the Commandments are Liars 1 Joh 2:4. Love = Keep the Commandments. Make your choice.

 

Just because I don't observe a commandment I wasn't given to keep by Jesus doesn't mean I don't love Him.  Jesus never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath, not a single time.   I keep the commandments Jesus gave and are listed in the NT.  I don't have to observe the Sabbath because it was not given to the Church.

 

Sorry but you are spreading false teaching and your teachings are rejected. You twist the Bible to make it say what it doesn't say.  You have nothing good to offer here.

[gigman7]

I do not see the Sabbath mentioned in NT

Mark 2:27

 

Luke 23:56

 

Luke 4:16

 

Acts 17:2

 

Mark 2:28

 

Luke 6:1-20

 

Acts 16:13

 

And MANY more!

[Guest shiloh357]

 

I do not see the Sabbath mentioned in NT

Mark 2:27

 

Luke 23:56

 

Luke 4:16

 

Acts 17:2

 

Mark 2:28

 

Luke 6:1-20

 

Acts 16:13

 

And MANY more!

 

Well, it's mentioned but it is not commanded to the Church.

[gigman7]

Just because I don't observe a commandment I wasn't given to keep by Jesus doesn't mean I don't love Him.  Jesus never commanded anyone to keep the Sabbath, not a single time.   I keep the commandments Jesus gave and are listed in the NT.  I don't have to observe the Sabbath because it was not given to the Church.

 

Sorry but you are spreading false teaching and your teachings are rejected. You twist the Bible to make it say what it doesn't say.  You have nothing good to offer here.

 

That is 100% incorrect. The New Testament, as I posted above, is full of keeping the Sabbath.  Do you through out all of the Bible except the 4 gospels?