Was Jesus crucified on Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday?

[gerhard eber]

23 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

In your statement, "How many times is it written He would rise, 'the third DAY,' never '~on the third night~'!" I hope you can see that this is the 24-hour period known as a "day," not just the daylight portion!

"The third day" Jesus spoke of was first halve nighttime latter halve daylight time all day the whole day "THE third day" and not last halve night time of one '12 hour period' first halve daylight time of another '12 hour period' than "THE third day" of the "THREE DAYS thick darkness" which immobilised the whole of Egypt on and for the whole of the 14th, 15th and 16th days of the First Month (newly instituted for the children of Israel at the exodus). It was a NEW order of calculating days and dates specifically for the people of the God of heaven and earth IN CONTRAST TO AND IN OPPOSITION WITH the pagan and heathen established worldview everybody TO THIS DAY has been familiar with and regard above God's WAY THROUGH CHRIST.

Edited August 6, 2018 by gerhard eber

[gerhard eber]

15 hours ago, Da Puppers said:

Concerning the "eight" days of the feast,  not one scripture that you provided shows the Passover to be on the day before,  the 14th, day of that month.   Leviticus 23 should settle the matter.   Look at this: 

*[[Lev 23:27]] KJV* Also on the TENTH day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

*[[Lev 23:28]] KJV* And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.

So here we see thee two verses plainly declare that the day of atonement,  is declared to be a Sabbath of rest on the same day.   Now look what it says just 4 verses later: 

*[[Lev 23:32]] KJV* It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the NINTH DAY of the month AT EVEN , from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

There should be absolutely no question that this passage is equating them to be one and the same day,  but identified in different manners.  Now, 

*[[Lev 23:5]] KJV* In the FOURTEENTH DAY of the first month AT  EVEN  is the LORD'S passover.

SO,  if the 9th day at even,  is same as the 10th day of the month,  [we are still in Lev 23], then the 14th day at even,  IS THE SAME as the 15th day of the month.   The LORD has set aside 3 most holy days to be celebrated unto the Lord as holy convocations:

PASSOVER:  *[[Lev 23:7]] KJV* In the first day [of the feast of unleavened bread] ye shall have an HOLY  CONVOCATION : ye shall do no servile work therein.

PENTECOST:  *[[Lev 23:21]] KJV* And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an HOLY CONVOCATION  unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.

ATONEMENT:  *[[Lev 23:27]] KJV* Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an HOLY CONVOCATION  unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

 A holy convocation is a gathering of the people together unto the Lord,  thus the declaration that all three days  are set aside and work is strictly forbidden.   

Blessings

The PuP 

Ag please daddy, take us to the drive-in?!!!

 

[gerhard eber]

11 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said:

“Now it was the day of Preparation,and the next day was to be a special Sabbath.

An abhorrent rape of Scripture John 19:31 if ever there was.

[gerhard eber]

5 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

"Three days and three nights" is NOT just an "idiom" for 3 24-hour days, because the "idiom" would be backward thinking for a Jew! We just finished saying that they begin a day at sundown, so why would Yeshua` make a special point of saying "three DAYS" and THEN add "and three NIGHTS?" He logically should have said, "three nights and three days," if that's a sensible "idiom" to a Jew! No, the ORDER is important in the message Yeshua` was attempting to convey! Just as Yonah was thrown overboard and immediately swallowed by a whale of a fish during the day, Yeshua` also died during the day.

 

'~...they begin a day at sundown, so why would Yeshua` make a special point of saying "three DAYS" and THEN add "and three NIGHTS?~' ... simply because Jesus related what had happened in the past to Jonas; in other words, Jesus spoke retrospectively.

Had the three days and three nights already happened with Jesus when He spoke to the Jews? No; it was still future for Him. Therefore, Matthew 12:40 actually says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so WILL the Son of Man (have been*) three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" [*houtohs ESTAI ho Wuios tou Anthrohpou en tai kardiai tehs gehs treis hehmeras kai treis nuktas] because that, '~logically~' IS what Jesus '~should have said~' and actually, DID say '~if that's a sensible "idiom" to a Jew~' or not! 

So, yes, '~the ORDER is important in the message Yeshua` was attempting to convey!~' And so, let's stick to Jesus' own words and don't go overboard like you do, by adding your own, '~Just as Yonah was thrown overboard and immediately swallowed by a whale of a fish during the day, Yeshua` also died during the day~'.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2018 by gerhard eber

[gerhard eber]

6 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

He died shortly after the ninth hour of the day (approximately 3:00 PM) and had to be interred BEFORE sundown, BEFORE the sighting of the first three visible stars. No work was to be done on the Shabbat, and that included the work of moving Yeshua`s body, wrapping it in the linen shroud, laying it in the tomb, and rolling the stone door in front of the sepulcher doorway.

Jesus died "the ninth hour", viz., '~3:00 PM~' exactly "between-the-latter-quarters-of-days" [behn-ha-arba-yim] "mid-afternoon". What are you scared of to say it straight?

Because, I'll tell you, "the ninth hour", viz., '~3:00 PM~' "between-the-latter-quarters-of-days" [behn-ha-arba-yim] "mid-afternoon the Sabbath .. according to the (Fourth) Commandment .. nearing" EXACTLY, was the time of and on "That Day the Preparation which is (Friday) the Fore-Sabbath" WHEN JOSEPH HAD FINISHED TO BURY THE BODY OF JESUS AND HAD GONE HOME AND SO ALSO THE TWO MARYS WHO HAD ATTENDED JOSEPH'S ENTOMBMENT OF JESUS' BODY! That's why you're SCARED to say it straight, because it's an IMPOSSIBILITY Jospeh could have FINISHED Jesus' interment the very second of his DYING!

And so is every Christian that insists on what you insist, that Jesus was buried on the same day He died! Dishonest afraid cowards to FACE THE TRUTH who rather will "MEDDLE WITH THE WORD OF GOD" like the proud and obstinate king Josiah of the Jews. 

Nowhere ever is it written the Crucified had to be interred before sundown THE SAME day! That's the issue! 

'~BEFORE the sighting of the first three visible stars~' or not! It's got NOTHING to do with the issue and is irrelevant '~added nonsense~'!

And just so is your claim, '~No work was to be done on the Shabbat, and that included the work of moving Yeshua`s body, wrapping it in the linen shroud, laying it in the tomb, and rolling the stone door in front of the sepulcher doorway.~' THIS, was, exactly, what the day "This That Selfsame Whole Day BONE-DAY" of the fifteenth of the First Month was SUPPOSED FOR -- THE INTERMENT OF "THAT WHICH REMAINED" of the passover sacrifice the day before!

I refuse to spoon feed supposed to be adults with Scripture indications.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gerhard eber]

7 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Now, it's also important to understand what is meant by a "special Sabbath." It was NOT that the weekly Sabbath was special that week; it was that there was an ADDITIONAL, special "Sabbath" that week! Remember: The word "Shabbat" (written as "Sabbath") comes from the Hebrew word "shaaVat" which means "he had rested." It is primarily a DAY OF REST! So, when the Pesach (Passover) holiday came that week, they were also to REST on that day, as per Leviticus 23:5-7; NO WORK WAS TO BE DONE!!

It's of no concern what anyone might think '~important to understand what is meant by a "special Sabbath"~' since there are no words or idea like "special Sabbath" in all of Scripture.

But it is true, '~It~' "The Preparation ... on the sabbath ... because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of(-passover)" '~was NOT the weekly Sabbath .. that week~'. Having been passover-week, it was '~an additional, special "sabbath"~' if you will, that week. 

But is is not true, on '~the Pesach (Passover) holiday as per Leviticus 23:5-7; NO WORK WAS TO BE DONE!!~' On the contrary, only "menial work" was forbidden. But MUCH WORK special to That Day was commanded!

 

 

 

[gerhard eber]

On 9/3/2014 at 3:53 AM, Persuaded said:

Jesus rose before dawn of the first day of the week.

 

On 9/3/2014 at 3:53 AM, Persuaded said:

Matthew 28:1 (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn...

 

On 9/3/2014 at 3:53 AM, Persuaded said:

Put these together, and you're looking a ...

contradiction... 

[gerhard eber]

On 9/3/2014 at 3:53 AM, Persuaded said:

Mark 16:1,2

And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

 

On 9/3/2014 at 3:53 AM, Persuaded said:

Jesus rose before dawn of the first day of the week.

...is an impossibility--Jesus could not have resurrected twice.

[gerhard eber]

On 9/3/2014 at 3:53 AM, Persuaded said:

A more correct translation of Matt 28:1 is not "sabbath" but "sabbaths" as in Young's Literal Translation:

Young's, especially not in this individual case, is no 'translation'; it is a more literal transcription that does not give the spoken meanings of words, but rather suggest their etymology via orthography. 

[gerhard eber]

On 9/3/2014 at 3:53 AM, Persuaded said:

"Sabbath" generally refers to the 7th day, but it can also refer to a holy day, such as Passover. Passover occurs on the 14th of the month so it can fall on any day of the week.

In the NT 'Sabbatohn' Genitive Plural by itself, is "the day The Seventh Day" Hebrews 4:4, "the Sabbath" like in Matthew 28:1a "on / in the Sabbath" and in Hebrews 4:9 'keeping of the Sabbath Day'.

Also in the NT 'Sabbatou' Genitive Singular by itself refers to "the Sabbath", like in Mark 16:1 'diagenomenou tou Sabbatou' - "after (or) when the Sabbath (The Seventh Day) had gone through".

In phrases 'sabbatohn' Genitive Plural like in Matthew 28:1b 'Mian (Hehmeran) sabbatohn' - "First Day-of-the-week", or 'sabbatou' Genitive Singular like in 1Corinthians 16:2 'kata Mian (Hehmeran) sabbatou', "every First Day-of-the-week", 'sabbatohn' or 'sabbatou' obviously just means, "of-the-week".