Second health care worker tests positive for Ebola

[ayin jade]

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-outbreak/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Guest Teditis]

Wow, we're in trouble aren't we?

[The_Patriot21]

You know, lets put this in perspective. 3 cases total in a town of how many? seriously? I realize that its a deadly disease-but its nowhere near panic level yet at least not on a nationwide scale. Common sense says get this crap out of the media, close down our borders, and increase checks of those entering legally especially from affected countries. But since when has this country lived on common sense. . .

[other one]

Wow, we're in trouble aren't we?

i've been watching this kind of like a hobby.....     I don't think we can tell if we are in  trouble or not.    If any of the people on the plane that the second nurse flew on is infected then we might be in trouble....

 

So far what I personally have seen is the government not being able to pass on what is needed to safely treat this.  It will sort of depend on whether those in power are in with the population reduction folks or just incompetent.

 

I don't really think we were prepared for this on the local level, and it's the CDC's fault for that.   

 

We should see if it's true that you can't get it without touching body fluids or not by watching those people on the plane.

 

 

I'm actually more concerned with the price of oil and stock than Ebola.   Maybe it's Ebola that's affecting it.....   but I'm looking at this being a shemitah year and history shows that is not good for the USA's economy.

 

As everything else.......     we'll see.

[Guest shiloh357]

You know, lets put this in perspective. 3 cases total in a town of how many? seriously? I realize that its a deadly disease-but its nowhere near panic level yet at least not on a nationwide scale. Common sense says get this crap out of the media, close down our borders, and increase checks of those entering legally especially from affected countries. But since when has this country lived on common sense. . .

Well the problem is that the potential does exist for an epidemic to arise.   The way we deal with it is to treat it like its a big problem while it is a small problem so it doesn't become a big problem.   If we wait until it is a big problem to start treating it like its a big problem, it will be nearly impossible to contain.

[Guest LadyC]

i think we need to be cautiously optimistic. that being said, we very well may be seeing a lot more cases come out of dallas, since we're now learning that for the first two days of duncan's hospitalization, none of the nurses or doctors had hazmat suits. that's 48 hours with a lot of health care workers being exposed to the virus. kent brantly can't provide plasma to all of them.

[Guest Teditis]

 

Wow, we're in trouble aren't we?

i've been watching this kind of like a hobby.....     I don't think we can tell if we are in  trouble or not.    If any of the people on the plane that the second nurse flew on is infected then we might be in trouble....

 

So far what I personally have seen is the government not being able to pass on what is needed to safely treat this.  It will sort of depend on whether those in power are in with the population reduction folks or just incompetent.

 

I don't really think we were prepared for this on the local level, and it's the CDC's fault for that.   

 

We should see if it's true that you can't get it without touching body fluids or not by watching those people on the plane.

 

 

I'm actually more concerned with the price of oil and stock than Ebola.   Maybe it's Ebola that's affecting it.....   but I'm looking at this being a shemitah year and history shows that is not good for the USA's economy.

 

As everything else.......     we'll see.

 

 

That's an interesting take on it and I can relate with being concerned about oil prices.

 

But it's the very things that you mentioned... like needing to see how the virus transmits

(the not knowing of it all) and the CDC not preparing the population for such an outbreak

and even the unclear motivations of bureaucrats (with or without potentially nefarious plans)

and of course the secondary/tertiary aspects of an outbreak to effect the economy...

that make me feel "troubled".

 

(and I never even factored in something like it being a "shemitah" year... whatever that is?)

Edited October 15, 2014 by Teditis

[other one]

Then I just got this from a FaceBook friend     Now it appears that we may not even have agreements of how dangerous it is....

 

what a mess

 

 

The highly respected Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) at the University of Minnesota just advised the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and World Health Organization (WHO) that “there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles,” including exhaled breath.

CIDRAP is warning that surgical facemasks do not prevent transmission of Ebola, and healthcare professionals (HCP) must immediately be outfitted with full-hooded protective gear and powered air-purifying respirators.

CIDRAP since 2001 has been a global leader in addressing public health preparedness regarding emerging infectious diseases and bio-security responses. CIDRAP’s opinion on Ebola virus is there are “No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities;” “A high case-fatality rate;” and “Unclear modes of transmission.”

In April of 2014, CIDRAP published a commentary on Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) that confirmed the disease “could be an aerosol-transmissible disease, especially in healthcare settings,” similar to the known aerosol transmission capability of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

Although CIDRAP acknowledges that they were “first skeptical that Ebola virus could be an aerosol-transmissible disease,” they are “now persuaded by a review of experimental and epidemiologic data that this might be an important feature of disease transmission, particularly in healthcare settings.”

CDC’s published “Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Virus Disease in U.S. Hospitals” states: “HCP should wear gloves, a gown, disposable shoe covers, and either a face shield that fully covers the front and sides of the face or goggles, and respiratory protection that is at least as protective as a NIOSH certified fit-tested N95 filtering facepiece respirator.”

N95 filters look like surgical masks and are defined by the U.S. Department of Labor as “disposable respirator” with a workplace protection factor (WPF) of 10. A 3M “qualified” N95 respirators rated to block 95% of airborne particles with a size greater in diameter than 5 microns is can cost as little as $.65 each. 

However, the US National Institutes of Health reported in 2005 that 50% of bio-aerosols were found to be less than 5 microns in diameter. The NIH calculated that after correcting for dead space and lung deposition, “N95 filtering facepiece respirators seem inadequate against microorganisms.”

CIDRAP warns in regards to N95 respirators, “Healthcare workers have experienced very high rates of morbidity and mortality in the past and current Ebola virus outbreaks. A facemask, or surgical mask, offers no or very minimal protection from infectious aerosol particles.” 

CIDRAP is now advising the CDC and WHO that proper “personal protective equipment (PPE) ensures that healthcare workers remain healthy throughout an outbreak.” Based on scientific research, CIDRAP recommends the minimum protection for healthcare professionals in high-risk settings is a “powered air-purifying respirator (PAPR) with a hood or helmet” that will filter 99.97% of all particles down to 0.3 microns in diameter.

But the minimum Internet-advertised price for a “qualified” 3M Veraflo respirator is $427.13, compared to about $.65 for an N95 facemask. With Liberia’s per capita GDP only $454 last year and the economy in shambles, there is no way the country’s healthcare professionals can afford to acquire the appropriate protective respirators.

Based on CIDRAP's research and the fact that Ebola cases are projected to skyrocket, it seems irresponsible that the New York Times and other mainstream media outlets are downplaying the risks of Ebola transmission.

Less than two weeks ago, the NYT's “Well” column responded to a reader's question: “Can I get Ebola from public transportation?” with “Implying that Ebola is caught as easily as flu or colds would be untrue and inflammatory.” The “Well” column, again on October 13th, responded to another question: “I’m flying soon. What is the risk of contracting Ebola on a flight?” with “Top Ebola experts have said they would not expect to be infected even if they were sitting next to another passenger with Ebola – unless that passenger actually vomited or bled on them.”

As I pointed out last week at Breitbart News, the Black Death that killed a third of all people in Europe and the Middle East in the three years from 1337 to 1340 appears to have been a “hemorrhagic fever” similar to Ebola. CIDRAP’s warning that Ebola can be spread by “infectious aerosol particles,” such as breathing, means the pandemic should be expected to continue to accelerate.

 

 

http://www.breitbart.com/

[Guest Butero]

The thing that should concern everybody is that we know so little about ebola.  Some are even admitting now that it could be spread in the air.  That is contrary to everything they were originally saying about having to have contact with bodily fluids of an infected person.  We just don't know how much risk there is, and we don't have a cure.  We have treatments, but the mortality rate still exceeds 60 percent. 

[Guest Butero]

Thanks for that information Other One.  I didn't see it till after I wrote my last post.  Yes, this is very serious.