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[Budman]

I have some questions that I am stumped over. Care to give 'em a whirl?

Why wasn't Lot condemned for giving his daughters to be abused by the men of Sodom (Genesis 19:8)?

Where is the justice in punishing us for Adam's sin? The Bible itself says that children will not be punished for the parents' sins (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Why does God expressly take credit for creating disabilities (Exodus 4:11)? If these are God's doing, then why does the church insist that disabilities are the result of the fall, or of Satan's work?

warm regards

-bud

[Ovedya]

Why wasn't Lot condemned for giving his daughters to be abused by the men of Sodom (Genesis 19:8)?

I don't think that this question can be answered Biblically, since the Bible does not address the issue. I'm afraid any answer that you receive to this will be conjecture. I believe in speaking where the Bible speaks, and remaining silent where it is silent.

Where is the justice in punishing us for Adam's sin? The Bible itself says that children will not be punished for the parents' sins (Deuteronomy 24:16).

I've heard this question from atheists. The matter of sin is not strictly a matter of crime and punishment. The "sin of Adam" is the inherited nature of sin, which causes us to commit offenses before God. Since this is the case, Deut. 24:16 cannot apply, because the verse is related to offenses committed by ones parents, not the inherited nature to sin.

There is a nature inherited from Adam which causes us to sin, and there are offenses, sins, committed because of that nature. Make sense?

Why does God expressly take credit for creating disabilities (Exodus 4:11)? If these are God's doing, then why does the church insist that disabilities are the result of the fall, or of Satan's work?

Well, this verse does not talk about God creating disabilities, for one thing. You need to take this verse in context with God's entire speaking to Moses. This is God's response to Moses' excuse for not speaking to Him. Here God is essentially telling Moses that He uses various afflictions for His own purpose.

Now, it is also the case that God specifically causes a certain affliction to come upon a person, such as when He caused John the Baptist's father to become mute, but nevertheless it is always with a specific goal or intention. That always turns out to His benefit and glory.

In John 9 the disciples brought a blind man before the Lord Jesus asking Him who sinned to have caused the man's blindness. The Lord's answer was that neither the man nor his parents sinned to have cause his blindness, but he was born so that the works of God might be manifested in him.

Blindness, deafness, dumbness, etc. are all the result of the fall. Spiritually speaking blindness indicates darkness and a separation from God; deafness the inability to hear God, and dumbness is the result of not being able to speak for God. These are all results of man's transgression. However, Scripture shows us that God even uses these limitations for His expression and for His glory.

[Budman]

Thank-you, Ovedya! You da man!!

warm regards

-bud

[kroschild]

I have some questions that I am stumped over. Care to give 'em a whirl?

Why wasn't Lot condemned for giving his daughters to be abused by the men of Sodom (Genesis 19:8)?

I don't know--having your daughters trick you into sleeping with them so they can have children seems like a fair "reaping what you sow" to me...

Looks like his "punishment" was having daughters who cared as little about him as he seemed to about them!

Just a thought!

KrosChild

[tsth]

I have some questions that I am stumped over. Care to give 'em a whirl?

Why wasn't Lot condemned for giving his daughters to be abused by the men of Sodom (Genesis 19:8)?

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Dear bud,

Here is how I view the above, in terms of being consistent with the rest of God's Word.

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.

I think the same principal here with Lot was his heart. He knew that God came FIRST, much like the story of Abraham and Issac. Abraham was willing to kill his own son, in order to reveal that God was first in his life. I think the same applied here to Lot. He was willing for his own child/children to be sacrificed before giving the angel of the Lord over to the wicked men. He was willing.

If you note, it did not happen. Not to mention, Lot and his daughters were spared.

In His Love,

Suzanne

Edited January 12, 2005 by tsth

[FaithfulFollower]

Bud,

Three questions were all that were asked but one in particular truly caught my attention.

Why does God expressly take credit for creating disabilities (Exodus 4:11)? If these are God's doing, then why does the church insist that disabilities are the result of the fall, or of Satan's work?

Unfortunately, there is not a church out there that more than likely does not follow a false doctrine or has not been tainted with sin, if not both of these things. Disabilities are not something of which God allows to befall His children on account of sin, but for a purpose so as to serve Him.

Have a little sister with disabilities, and though it might sound strange, I would not change her for the world, even if it were possible through God or not through God. There has not been a greater love for Christ seen by my eyes, then through those of which have disabilities for it is a firm belief of mine that they are the ones of which know better of God's love but more or less may not be able to share it fully. Just the same, my sister knows God despite her disabilities! Is that not awesome! For God's hand can reach any distance, and His power is not something of which comes in short supply.

A blind eye is often cast towards the way of the Lord, even amongst us believers is often found the doubting Thomas. If only we all could see as the children and those of which have come to know God even within their disability perhaps we ourselves would learn a little something about faith.

With Love In Christ,

Danielle

[NotJohn]

Budman, I believe the answer to your second question, about the justice of God punishing us for Adam's sin is not a matter of punishment at all, but one of love. God has given each of us a free will, and the right to choose to follow Him, or to indulge in sin. As was said before in this thread, the fall instilled the "sin nature" in us, a natural bent toward evil. If we did not have the nature to sin, we would not do so, thus we would not know of an alternative to God's will for our lives. We would not have the ability to choose to follow God, or not. That is simply my thought on the subject. I'm sure someone else has a more clear understanding of it.

[Guest idied2]

I have some questions that I am stumped over. Care to give 'em a whirl?

Why wasn't Lot condemned for giving his daughters to be abused by the men of Sodom (Genesis 19:8)?

Where is the justice in punishing us for Adam's sin? The Bible itself says that children will not be punished for the parents' sins (Deuteronomy 24:16).

Why does God expressly take credit for creating disabilities (Exodus 4:11)? If these are God's doing, then why does the church insist that disabilities are the result of the fall, or of Satan's work?

warm regards

-bud

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The answer to the first question is shure I'll give them a whirl.

1. Lot was willing to sacrefice his daughters for the LORD's messengers. No one is condemned for haveing that kind of faith in GOD.

2. You are born into sin passed down from parents and people around you which includes lust that leads to childbirth and death. None of that exsisted befor adam and eves fall. You are born into it, guilty of it from birth and need to be forgiven for it.

3. Because they are wrong.

IN CHRIST JESUS

[Arthur Durnan]

I do indeed think that the answer to all questions raising doubt about Jehovah God's "ways and procedures" pertaining to His creation and His creatures, whether involving disabilities, seemingly strange actions, etc., is to understand in one's mind that the Lord God of heaven & earth is Creator, Saviour, Sustainer and Eternal Judge re the universe & all that is therein. He knows precisely what He is doing in His world, and He is the First and the Last Word with respect to EVERYTHING. Our task as Christian believers is to ask Him for more grace, infilling and heavenly wisdom so that in His time - either now or later in heaven - we may understand His marvellous ways. "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

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[Guest idied2]

That scripture is true but now lets finish it.

1 Corinthians 2

9 But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him."

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

So If you have the SPIRIT of GOD you should know these things.

In CHRIST JESUS