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[standing_alone]

Shiloh357, I don’t think the question is if “The universe is simply too complex to have simply "happened" apart from a Creator.” The real question, in my view, is that the existence of anything, whether simple or complex, speaks loudly about God. Unavoidably, in fact.

 

And thanks for supporting the faith in the Bible. Similar thanks to FresnoJoe.

[Enoch2021]

 

You only have 2 choices as to "How" we are here: Random Chance (Nature) or Intelligent Design (GOD). 

 

 

Sorry to correct a valiant Christian, but actually there is only one. Those who claim differently (all the atheists in the world) would have to show me where exactly in nature is chance and chance alone, because I surely can’t find it. Ironically, atheists themselves rely on the absence of chance, otherwise they couldn’t possibly come up even with their wrong science (their speculative science), such as big bang. No descriptive mechanism could be possible, hence no theory whatsoever.

 

 

 

It's not a correction.... it was only a Juxtaposition for those who currently can't see GOD who are mesmerized by fables of Nature (Randomness) as the CAUSE.

 

Of course GOD is the only Choice.

[Bonky]

Sorry to correct a valiant Christian, but actually there is only one. Those who claim differently (all the atheists in the world) would have to show me where exactly in nature is chance and chance alone, because I surely can’t find it. Ironically, atheists themselves rely on the absence of chance, otherwise they couldn’t possibly come up even with their wrong science (their speculative science), such as big bang. No descriptive mechanism could be possible, hence no theory whatsoever.

If tomorrow we found out that the big bang was false, evolution was false etc, it wouldn't do a single thing to further the notion that Bible accurately describes any creator. The absense of a "secular" explanation doesn't validate a theological one.

[Guest Teditis]

Yeah, but it would go a long way to lead to saner discussions...

[Enoch2021]

 

Sorry to correct a valiant Christian, but actually there is only one. Those who claim differently (all the atheists in the world) would have to show me where exactly in nature is chance and chance alone, because I surely can’t find it. Ironically, atheists themselves rely on the absence of chance, otherwise they couldn’t possibly come up even with their wrong science (their speculative science), such as big bang. No descriptive mechanism could be possible, hence no theory whatsoever.

If tomorrow we found out that the big bang was false, evolution was false etc, it wouldn't do a single thing to further the notion that Bible accurately describes any creator. The absense of a "secular" explanation doesn't validate a theological one.

 

 

False?  There was never anything pointing to they were TRUE in the first place; They're both Prima Facie "Just So" Stories and Begging The Question (Fallacies).

 

No Creator?    .... 

 

Then you must take to the Woodshed and Bludgeon Senseless: 1LOT, 2LOT, the Laws of Chemistry/Biochemistry, Cause and Effect, the tenets of Functional Sequence Complexity, Irreducible Complexity, and Ascribe to Stupid Atoms and Molecules creating Algorithmic Cybernetic Coding and Decoding Schemes.  For Starters.

[Bonky]

False?  There was never anything pointing to they were TRUE in the first place; They're both Prima Facie "Just So" Stories and Begging The Question (Fallacies).

 

No Creator?    .... 

 

Then you must take to the Woodshed and Bludgeon Senseless: 1LOT, 2LOT, the Laws of Chemistry/Biochemistry, Cause and Effect, the tenets of Functional Sequence Complexity, Irreducible Complexity, and Ascribe to Stupid Atoms and Molecules creating Algorithmic Cybernetic Coding and Decoding Schemes.  For Starters.

Not interested in arguments from ignorance.

[Guest]

Not interested in arguments.... 

 

from ignorance....

 

?

 

Nor

 

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

 

Logs 

 

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

 

From Direct

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

 

Observations....

 

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:

 

wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day,

 

and hallowed it. Exodus 20:11

[Enoch2021]

 

False?  There was never anything pointing to they were TRUE in the first place; They're both Prima Facie "Just So" Stories and Begging The Question (Fallacies).

 

No Creator?    .... 

 

Then you must take to the Woodshed and Bludgeon Senseless: 1LOT, 2LOT, the Laws of Chemistry/Biochemistry, Cause and Effect, the tenets of Functional Sequence Complexity, Irreducible Complexity, and Ascribe to Stupid Atoms and Molecules creating Algorithmic Cybernetic Coding and Decoding Schemes.  For Starters.

Not interested in arguments from ignorance.

 

 

 

Arguments from Ignorance?     This is the polar opposite antithesis of arguments from ignorance.

 

It's Tantamount to calling a Gamma Ray Burst, Water Polo.  

[Bonky]

Arguments from Ignorance?     This is the polar opposite antithesis of arguments from ignorance.

 

It's Tantamount to calling a Gamma Ray Burst, Water Polo.

It's a textbook case of argument from ignorance. I'm not sure how else the Universe got here, must be a God. This has bit us in the rear in the past and I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if it happens again.

[Guest Teditis]

 

Arguments from Ignorance?     This is the polar opposite antithesis of arguments from ignorance.

 

It's Tantamount to calling a Gamma Ray Burst, Water Polo.

It's a textbook case of argument from ignorance. I'm not sure how else the Universe got here, must be a God. This has bit us in the rear in the past and I wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if it happens again.

 

 

It's not an argument from ignorance when you have an inspired Bible and the testimony

of billions of people throughout history attesting to evidences of God/a Creator/a god that

corroborates each other. Not to mention all the science that confirms both the "stories" and

the intellectual design of the cosmos.